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We should probably have mandatory training before people are allowed on the internet. Should probably have to get a special permit too if you want to use incognito mode but also put restrictions on open interneting in certain counties.
Haven't heard anyone bring up this angle yet so I'll give it a shot. I got my initial trading from my dad like most hear I assume (keep your finger off the trigger,guns are always loaded, don't shoot at anything you don't intend to destroy etc.). When I moved to CO. and decided to start carrying I got additional training to fill in some gaps where I was lacking. I took those step of my own accord as I was always taught to be a responsible member of society. Required training? No not ever!
Agrred. That was the gist of my last post. Dad trained me at 5, my uncles, hen my public school (farm town in n. Cal), later more advanced courses as an adult. It is part of being a good, well rounded adult.Originally Posted by Double00
".45, it's like 9mm only for adults"-trlcavscout
I have a friend, who has purchased her first handgun ever. Her father has guns, but refuses to teach her anything. (stupid i think)
After working with her a little bit, gun safety etc. Taking her to the range, I demanded that she get some formal training for her CCW, not just a seminar class, but physical shooting/training. I can't stand the thought of her carrying a gun, she's just too green to even consider it. Muzzle control, finger control, the basics just aren't there. I believe she's signed up for a 8 hour CCW/shooting course this month and is taking her father along too.
Second story is my wife; She finally completed her CCW course, 2 hours, three different days for 6 hours total. NRA Basic Pistol class.
We got her a new XDs that she liked. She has learned a few things in class that I thought she already understood, but I guess not. Always good to have others reinforce things.
The class required her to shoot a minimum score, right handed, left handed, center mass, head shot etc. She did have one significant error, while picking up the XDs left handed from the firing line, she happened to put the finger on the trigger and discharged a round into the lane/floor downrange. Scared the crap out of her. She learned from this mistake and they didn't make an issue of it. (non dominate hand is difficult)
The wife does want to take additional training classes though, so hopefully I've got her hooked. Now to apply for CCW. I doubt she'll ever carry, but she'll have the option to if needed. (legally)
I believe training for ccw should include a minimum safety check, gun handling skill from the instructor. Not just paper certificate and go apply for ccw.
Some of the gun handling I see in my classes is frightening. But then, you have to get training and a license to drive, and what I see every minute on the road is MUCH WORSE, so training and a license wasn't the answer, either.
I'd say if you're carrying you have a responsibility to get some training beyond what is taught at some of these CCW seminars. Should you be required? I personally don't think so but I will say just spending time at any public range watching Joe Public handle firearms, not sure if I'd want some of them pulling a gun in a crowded room.
Last edited by Rooskibar03; 12-13-2015 at 10:55.
Progressive ideology, ideas so good they must be mandatory.
Your freedom to be you includes my freedom to be free from you.
...and driving is a privilege, not a right.
Liberals never met a slippery slope they didn't grease.
-Me
I wish technology solved people issues. It seems to just reveal them.
-Also Me
I think that probably 60-70% of people with CCW should not be carrying a gun. Because they're not good enough.
We don't require elocution lessons before people are allowed to express their 1st Amendment right ot free speech.
Also, there is this stupid idea (propagated by many on "our side" too) that guns are these massively complex machines that require significant training before one is able to safely and effectively capable of using one ... this is poppycock (if you'll pardon my harsh language).
Col Cooper's 4 rules are all that anyone needs to safely carry and use a gun. Period. You can teach them to a 4 year old in under 10 minutes.
This isn't to say that training isn't useful and won't increase the effectiveness of ones shooting ... but to use cars as an analogy, its like saying that everyone should graduate from Skip Barber Racing School before they're allowed to drive on the streets.
Elitist bovine scat not backed up by any real world data. Even in states with little to no training requirements (like constitutional carry states), CCWers are less likely to shoot the wrong person or do something else stupid than the police are (and they get significantly more gun training than the average CCWer).
I'd argue that your average Vermonter is probably a bigger idiot than most Americans (just based on their voting records) and yet in two centuries of Constitutional Carry I've not read reports that they have a higher than average rate of accidental shootings by citizens.
Last edited by Zundfolge; 12-13-2015 at 11:22.
Modern liberalism is based on the idea that reality is obligated to conform to one's beliefs because; "I have the right to believe whatever I want".
"Everything the State says is a lie, and everything it has it has stolen.
-Friedrich Nietzsche
"Every time something really bad happens, people cry out for safety, and the government answers by taking rights away from good people."
-Penn Jillette
A World Without Guns <- Great Read!
My thoughts on this...
Second amendment shall not be infringed...period, end of story. I always tell people that if you want regulations to guns then get a constitutional amendment. The restrictions we have reminds me in a round about way of the "fees" placed on the registrations of cars that are just "taxes" that couldn't get approved through the legislative process.
The fact we have CCW licenses to begin with was a major step for antis to get restrictions on this right. Add in required training and you've just given another piece of a protected right to them. The car analogy is a pile of crap because driving a car is not protected.
Which brings me to my next point of why mandatory CCW cards and training is a bad. I moved from Colorado to Nebraska back in June. I had my Colorado CCW and Nebraska is a reciprocity state. I had to live in a hotel while transitioning for a month before I bought a new home. Once I got into my new home I went and got a Nebraska drivers license. At this point my Colorado CCW is essentially void (probably was when I left the state) and I started the process of getting my Nebraska CCW. In order to fulfill the requirements I had to take a mandatory class that was state regulated and could not apply for it until I had my drivers license. I called state patrol and they said it was a grey area if I was caught carrying with my Colorado CCW and a Nebraska drivers license (they would not give me a problem but said that local PD most likely would and in Nebraska you are required to notify if stopped). Essentially for me to be a law abiding citizen I've been without my CCW for close to 4 months due to the burdens placed on my given right to arms (still waiting on my CCW to come in after completing everything). Luckily nothing has happened to me during this time but ask yourself this:
Would anyone argue that other rights should be subject to a waiting period before exercising them, or are they guaranteed at all times no matter where you are located within the country?
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