Militia takes over Malheur National Wildlife Refuge headquarters

[BushMasterBoy]

If it was summer, I'd drive up there and talk them out of it. Too cold this time of year.

[Irving]

The Bundy's and the militia seem like they are riding the coat tails of this just to stay relevant...

It seems like the Bundy's have been turned into an enemy of the state by past events. I don't see them changing their MO and will end up being martyred.

[sellersm]

Here comes the FBI. https://www.intellihub.com/breaking-...ng-occupation/


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[Skip]

Here comes the FBI. https://www.intellihub.com/breaking-...ng-occupation/


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I think the FBI has been there for several months

Seems like the best outcome for the government would be to basically ignore this group. By acknowledging/confronting them and either giving or denying them what they want, the government is bringing attention to them and lending them legitimacy. If the feds completely pretended like this was Fast and Furious and the media ignored them, the protesters would get tired, bored, hungry, and eventually run out of resources and the will to fight. If I was a totalitarian government, that is one option I would consider. The other option is to start a few "controlled burns" around that area and then blame it on the protesters and call it a cult suicide.

What really bothers me about this is the incredible number of people that are calling for the outright MURDER of these protesters at the hands of the government. That should scare the piss out of all of us.

Absolutely agree. Ignore them and then review the Hammond case with all it's prosecutorial irregularities. Of course, then FedGov has to open to reducing the sentence and/or honoring the plea deal.

If the Hammonds were black, a beer summit would have been called already and apologies would have been forced.

[Limited GM]

Lots of stuff about this floating around different social media sites today. Some are even saying that no militia groups in Oregon are even in the loop. Others are stating its as few as 15 people there.

If one was to dream up a scenerio, they could find it if they look.

The media is the biggest threat to America.

[Squeeze]

I agree with Skip. However; as HoneyBadger stated, there are American citizens who are siding with the government and calling for the outright slaughter of these people. That does bother me greatly. So if something legitimately happened where patriots had to rally together, take up arms and fight tyranny it's clear to see we wouldn't have much support from the Sheeple. Not that I would require that in order to stand my ground, but having to look over my shoulder as well as in front of me is a real PITA. These heathens who are only kept free by better men than themselves should keep their damn mouth shut when it's time to get to fightin'. Just when I thought societal decay had hit rock bottom, someone else comes along and proves me wrong. I can't say where every man's line in the sand is. I just hope this deal in Oregon all ends peacefully.

[Dave]

Read an article that said there's names like VanillaIsis and YallQaeda being used instead of militia, along with recommendations of Apache helicopters doing strafing runs or F-22's doing missile strikes. Bet these were the same people who cried about SWAT using tear gas on rioters and looters recently. Best thing the .gov can do is ignore them as long as they remain peaceful. If something like Waco or worse happens there I fear it could spark something neither side is ready for.

[HoneyBadger]

I agree with Skip. However; as HoneyBadger stated, there are American citizens who are siding with the government and calling for the outright slaughter of these people. That does bother me greatly. So if something legitimately happened where patriots had to rally together, take up arms and fight tyranny it's clear to see we wouldn't have much support from the Sheeple. Not that I would require that in order to stand my ground, but having to look over my shoulder as well as in front of me is a real PITA. These heathens who are only kept free by better men than themselves should keep their damn mouth shut when it's time to get to fightin'. Just when I thought societal decay had hit rock bottom, someone else comes along and proves me wrong. I can't say where every man's line in the sand is. I just hope this deal in Oregon all ends peacefully.

Valid points, but I'd bet there are at least 5 million people (probably closer to 20M) around the country that would take up arms to fight tyranny. I would have quickly jumped on board to such a task, but now with a family of my own, I have other considerations. The line in the sand has moved for me over the past few years, but I cannot say exactly how far. I would never hope for bloodshed, but if blood is what they want, they will certainly get it one way or another. The gov knows that there are 120 Million gun owners in the US and an outright war cannot be won, so they must be patient and continue with the "death by 1000 cuts" over several generations.

[Squeeze]

HoneyBadger,

I've had that talk with a few different people who weren't veterans or understood what it's like to dedicate your life to something bigger than just "themselves". I was posed with the question, "Why does it seem this administration is pushing so hard to disarm the citizens?" My reply is that it's simple. Since the Vietnam war, we have the largest group of trained combat veterans walking around in society. A vast majority of them who still vow to defend the Constitution against all enemies, foreign and domestic as well as a treasonous government. With an administration like the one we have now, I think that scares the ever living hell out of them. Not only are we trained, but even at 42, I'm still in damn good fighting shape. This is why I pray for a peaceful resolution for the folks in Oregon. I hope Obummer's last year in office he really doesn't do something so outlandishly stupid that it does kick off a second revolution. That is a powder keg that I hope never sees a spark. I agree with you and say that my line in the sand has moved for me over the past few years also. I know none of us are in Oregon right now and it's certain we cannot believe what the media is piping out. It would be nice to have first hand intel from someone who has boots on the ground out there. I've seen a few videos posted from people who are there and it seems to me they are not looking for a fight, just to get back what's rightfully theirs.

[Ah Pook]

Been reading about this. Can't see a good outcome on either side.

There is a history of harassment dating back to the '60s (and before). Sounds like a historical land grab.

Not sure the Bundys are helping the situation but after being a$$ raped by the govt, I can see where they are coming from.

Demonize and confiscate. Sound familiar?