The New Era of Gun Control Begins

[ZERO THEORY]

http://www.cnn.com/2016/01/04/politi...ons/index.html


Full announcement tomorrow. Mandatory nationwide background checks looming, from the sounds of things. We'll see what else is in store within the day.

[TEAMRICO]

Possibly if you sell ONE gun you will need to obtain an FFL.

[SA Friday]

Possibly if you sell ONE gun you will need to obtain an FFL.

That's what everyone is going to be afraid of, but here's the crux of the matter. Short of substantial evidence that one is selling firearms for the sole purpose of making money and in quantities (or value) large enough to substantiate income, it can't be proven. Then throw in that the average ATF office doesn't have the manpower to go after some guy that sold two guns and made $100 out of it. It's below their threshold much less ever be picked up by an AUSA for prosecution. Last time I checked with the AUSA in the Denver area, short of a class 2 felony or half a million dollars in fraud or damages, it was below their threshold for prosecution. Granted, there are exceptions, but lets be realistic. They can't even get cases where some banger with a clean record straw purchased 6 Hi-Points from a shit house pawn shop on E. Colfax and then flipped them to make a grand.

The sky is blue...

[Zundfolge]

Possibly if you sell ONE gun you will need to obtain an FFL.

Except you don't qualify for an FFL unless you have a store front and tax ID number. So this new class of FFL holder is impossible under current rules (Clinton saw to it that the "kitchen table FFL was a thing of the past). What's funny is if they required every private seller to get an FFL then that could be the end of BGCs as FFL to FFL transactions don't involve a BGC.

That's what everyone is going to be afraid of, but here's the crux of the matter. Short of substantial evidence that one is selling firearms for the sole purpose of making money and in quantities (or value) large enough to substantiate income, it can't be proven. Then throw in that the average ATF office doesn't have the manpower to go after some guy that sold two guns and made $100 out of it. It's below their threshold much less ever be picked up by an AUSA for prosecution. Last time I checked with the AUSA in the Denver area, short of a class 2 felony or half a million dollars in fraud or damages, it was below their threshold for prosecution. Granted, there are exceptions, but lets be realistic. They can't even get cases where some banger with a clean record straw purchased 6 Hi-Points from a shit house pawn shop on E. Colfax and then flipped them to make a grand.

The sky is blue...

This isn't meant to be used in a widespread way against the people, this is a setup for selective prosecutions. A tea party member here ... a gun rights activist there ... a "climate denier" over there ... a pro-life activist over here... a blogger there... a talk radio host over yonder.

Just like the IRS has been weaponized against political enemies of the Regime, so this weaponizes F-Troop.

It will create enough fear that people in our camp will stop fighting politically for fear that they'll lose their second amendment privileges (or at least that's their hope).


No, for most of us this will have no impact (other than drive prices up and reduce the variety in the market place because there will be less people selling used guns out of fear). But the next president will reverse this silliness (unless its Hillary in which case we have two choices; slavery or war).


The '94 AWB us a big part of the reason we never got a President Algore ... there's a good chance that this executive order may be what retires Hillary.

Lets try to be positive here and not swim in FUD ... but lets not abandon a little bit of FUD here and there as it will energize people against the regime.

[WETWRKS]

White House Senior Adviser Valerie Jarrett said the ATF will consider all the "facts and circumstances" of the gun seller: Whether he or she has business cards, accepts credit card payments, makes a profit, or sells guns in their original packaging or shortly after acquiring them.

Lynch noted that courts have held that as few as two sales could trigger the requirement.

[Ridge]

Just like UBCs didn't end gun ownership here in CO, nor is it likely to end gun ownership in the rest of the country.

Possibly if you sell ONE gun you will need to obtain an FFL.

Unlikely. You don't have to do all the paperwork to be a car dealer if you sell your old ride.

[Rooskibar03]

Expect gun stores to be busy as hell Wednesday

[ray1970]

Expect gun stores to be busy as hell Wednesday

Or maybe even tomorrow afternoon.

[SA Friday]

Or maybe even tomorrow afternoon.

It's been off the hook since Thanksgiving.

[JustSomeDude]

Expect gun stores to be busy as hell Wednesday

They've been slammed the last few weeks...

I went into 5280 Armory last Thursday to grab a Glock 43. Figured people were working New Year's Eve and I could make my purchase without a problem. I should've known better when there were no empty spaces in the parking lot. Anyway, 5280 was packed solid so I went over to Westminster Arms. They were packed as well, but since they were a smaller shop I figured I'd get in the state queue faster.

Long story short... took me 2 hrs to complete the transaction on my G43.

And it's going to be way worse this week (and those that follow until this executive order gets implemented).