41P signed and passed

[Brian]

I'd be more concerned with the restriction you quoted if it had come from the Firearms section of the ATF website instead of the Explosives section. I'm betting that if someone (certainly not me!) wants to spend countless hours researching laws and regulations regarding the licensing and regulation of explosives, you'd probably come across the requirement for fingerprinting from ONLY specific sources. Have at it if you'd like. There's probably some regulation on the origin of fingerprints for purposes of a security clearance out at DIA, too, but they're not relevant, either.

Let's not start applying rules, regulations and interpretations from OTHER regulated pursuits to the NFA realm. We'll be chasing our tails for all eternity "proving a negative" in showing that this or that interpretation does NOT apply to the new NFA rule. The new law says what it says. If you feel like you need clarification on what the new law says, the best place to find that clarification will be in the 237 pages specifically discussing how the new law come into being.

The law says, and I quote: "The fingerprints must be clear for accurate classification and should be taken by someone properly equipped to take them."

Note that it doesn't say:

1. By law enforcement
2. By the driver's license bureau
3. By someone who holds this or that license
4. By someone who holds this or that certification
5. By someone who runs a business
6. By someone wearing a striped shirt with a blue tie

I'm sorry if this sounds harsh, and it's not directed solely at Brian because I deal with forms of this every day. If we start trying to discuss hypotheticals, there really is no end to it. Plan on complying with the law. That's burdensome enough without trying to lump on or infer something that's simply not there.

Perhaps someone wants to email the ATF for clarification. That worked out so well for… what was it? Arm braces?

LOL BURN.

[Great-Kazoo]

So I need to write the ATF for clarification , correct

[Roger Ronas]

So I will be getting a Trust from Rodney by the end of the month.
I am VERY computer stupid and can't scan the signed(notarized) copy of the TRust back on my computer and also to fill out Eform and do it correctly.
so I was looking at the paper form to send in, and have no problem waiting for iot to go thru.
My question is: on the back of page 1 is a Law Enforcement Certification. Do I need to get that filled out?

IO will be building a suppressor.

Thanks and be easy on me,
Roger

EDIT: After rereading it multiple times, I think near the bottom of page 1 it states that INDIVIDUALS must fill out page 2 (other side).
So I think a trust does not have to fill page 2 out.
RIGHT????

[Great-Kazoo]

So I will be getting a Trust from Rodney by the end of the month.
I am VERY computer stupid and can't scan the signed(notarized) copy of the TRust back on my computer and also to fill out Eform and do it correctly.
so I was looking at the paper form to send in, and have no problem waiting for iot to go thru.
My question is: on the back of page 1 is a Law Enforcement Certification. Do I need to get that filled out?

IO will be building a suppressor.

Thanks and be easy on me,
Roger

EDIT: After rereading it multiple times, I think near the bottom of page 1 it states that INDIVIDUALS must fill out page 2 (other side).
So I think a trust does not have to fill page 2 out.
RIGHT????

Trust eliminates the need for CLEO sign off. Therefore you need nothingon the back. BUT......................... Make sure you fill out the section that requires your signature #7, making sure to include TRUSTEE after your name. That's # 8 on Pg 1

I don't have a F1 in front of me to check for any other sections to fill in. Mailing in your F1 at this time might be faster then e-filing. It's very easy to complete, perhaps a bit intimidating the first time. . You can save the application and review prior to paying. When i submit a F1 it's always off a paper copy, i use to double check i have it correct the first time.
Yet i'm still concerned there's "Something" i forgot to do once submitted.

[brutal]

So I will be getting a Trust from Rodney by the end of the month.
I am VERY computer stupid and can't scan the signed(notarized) copy of the TRust back on my computer and also to fill out Eform and do it correctly.
so I was looking at the paper form to send in, and have no problem waiting for iot to go thru.
My question is: on the back of page 1 is a Law Enforcement Certification. Do I need to get that filled out?

IO will be building a suppressor.

Thanks and be easy on me,
Roger

EDIT: After rereading it multiple times, I think near the bottom of page 1 it states that INDIVIDUALS must fill out page 2 (other side).
So I think a trust does not have to fill page 2 out.
RIGHT????

Correct, no CLEO cert, that's what the trust is all about!

[Roger Ronas]

Thank you guys,.
Reading more, I think I can do this,

Roger

[muddywings]

General education question-
What is the ATF doing with all these trust form1/4 applications if they are not doing a background check on the trustee (aka me)? (I'm not discussing the new issue with co-trustees)
I keep hearing that they are going to start doing 'background checks on people in trusts.' While I understand the co-trustee issue, I have to believe they are doing some type of background check on me/my address and anything around me for the 4-5 months they are sitting on my paperwork, but I could be wrong I guess.
Just curious.

[Brian]

The clock has started officially. Published in the register on Jan 15. 67 pages this time, but they're tiny font, 3 column. Haven't had a chance to compare to see if anything changed yet.

https://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/FR-201...2016-00192.pdf

[Ramsker]

Was talking with some shooting buddies about this the other day . . . subject of e-file came up. Anyone know if e-file will still be supported with regard to the change to include prints/photos? Trust documents are supplied/uploaded electronically, so I would guess that everything else with the new changes can be scanned/uploaded?

[Great-Kazoo]

Was talking with some shooting buddies about this the other day . . . subject of e-file came up. Anyone know if e-file will still be supported with regard to the change to include prints/photos? Trust documents are supplied/uploaded electronically, so I would guess that everything else with the new changes can be scanned/uploaded?

Yes. If one reads the document. or links in another thread. They will accept e-file. HOWEVER your prints & picture need to be on file. #53 southpaws reply has a link for more info

SO........... After 7/16 paper file with required pictures and prints. Once in the system, your prints & pic are good for 2 years from date received. Like renewing your ccw permit, only every 2 instead of 5 years.
IMO for all the hand wringing and ulcers, 41 helps those who don't have a trust, by eliminating the CLEO sign off . Of course you must notify them you've received a NFA approval. SO if you're one of the former unlucky ones. Send the anti-NFA dick head a Thank you card, with notification enclosed.