41P signed and passed

[muddywings]

I don't know either...

Going off what NFA guy as well (post #33, #3)....

ahh, see your point.
I'm going to arm-chair lawyer this and the way I see (because work is slow right now):

I have trust with 3 co-trustees (wife, mother, father) currently in place with an NFA item currently on the trust.

1. I want to add father-in-law-- I would simply write his name on as a co-trustee have him sign/date.*

2. I want to add another item-- all co-trustees and myself would need BGC paperwork, FP cards, and pictures sent in with trust paperwork (to include the trustee page, which I don't think you included in the past, but the way I read it, will have to do that now) with the application for the new item

*I got my trust right about the time the CO UBC came out. To cover my butt and all the bases when I picked up two suppressors, I asked them seller to run CBI BGC on my wife, and parents. I then had him print out the CBI paperwork showing they were all cleared. I then added them to the trust on that date and kept the printout to show as proof. Right or wrong figured it couldn't hurt. If i added the father-in-law I would do the same again. I actually chatted with an FFL about this right as the CO UBC laws came out and he thought it wasn't required but I did it anyway for piece of mind.

ETA: I'm just spit balling here and in the end will wait for NFA Trustguy to enlighten my ignorance.

[brutal]

or $200 and six months to get approved, and you have to tell the gov when you cross state lines...

...with your SBR.

Not required for suppressors.

[SouthPaw]

This the first I have heard of this so take it for what it is worth but...

Do you have to do this for EVERY form submitted? The answer is maybe, it just depends on how many you submit. If there have been no changes to the entity or the responsible parties and you had a form approved within 24 months of the current submission, then you will not be required to resubmit photos and fingerprints for each trustee. Instead you will provide a certification identifying the prior transfer and certifying that nothing has changed.
What about transfers pending before the rule changes? These transfers will not be affected and will be grandfathered in.
What about adding new trustees after the form has been approved? It does not appear that this has been addressed by the Rule. My position at this time is that only Current “Responsible Persons” will need to submit the information at the time the Form to make or transfer is submitted to the ATF.

Source: https://primaryandsecondary.com/41f-and-you/

If this is the case, one set of FP and PP photo would be good for two years. I am hoping this will be confirmed.

[Great-Kazoo]

While i'm no attorney i will say

There's a reason i spent a few dollars to use NFATrust / Rodney as the person to set up my NFA Trust. Pot #33 is one of them. Another is his accessibility (within a time frame) for responding to inquiries about trust concerns.

Yes one can spend $99 for a web site trust. I didn't. I as I'm sure others are Very happy with that decision to use Rodney.

[TFOGGER]

I see this as a watershed ruling. Expect more people to say" phukit" and just build whatever they want, regardless of the law. Those that comply will be penalized as more draconian regs come down the line to attempt to stem the flow of illegal SBRs and supressors. Make no mistake, this is by design of the progressive left.

[Roger Ronas]

I have put off getting a trust long enough. By the end of the month I will contact NFATrustguy for a trust. Then within the next 90 days I have two form 1's that I will file. Get the parts as I go.

Roger

[O2HeN2]

I have put off getting a trust long enough. By the end of the month I will contact NFATrustguy for a trust. Then within the next 90 days I have two form 1's that I will file. Get the parts as I go.

I always recommend you build the lowers and test fire them (with a legal barrel length or with a pistol tube) before engraving and submitting the form 1 to assure they work.

O2

[Roger Ronas]

No SBRs for me right now. I will be doing 2 suppressors.

Roger

I always recommend you build the lowers and test fire them (with a legal barrel length or with a pistol tube) before engraving and submitting the form 1 to assure they work.

O2

[brutal]

I always recommend you build the lowers and test fire them (with a legal barrel length or with a pistol tube) before engraving and submitting the form 1 to assure they work.

O2

Putting a pistol tube on a rifle lower doesn't make it a pistol.

Just saying for the benefit of the lurkers...

[SA Friday]

In accordance with the instructions provided on Form 5320.23, a certification for eachresponsible person completed by the local chief of police, sheriff of the county, headof the State police, State or local district attorney or prosecutor, or such other personwhose certification may in a particular case be acceptable to the Director. Thecertification for each responsible person must be completed by the CLEO who hasjurisdiction over the area in which the responsible person resides. The certificationmust state that the official is satisfied that the fingerprints and photograph accompanying the application are those of the responsible person and that the certifying official has no information indicating that receipt or possession of the firearm by the responsible person would be in violation of State or local law.




This is in both the section for proposed changes for form 1s and form 4s, pages 16 to 23. I can't find form 5320.23, but this is saying that although CLEO certification is gone, the FPs and the photo have to be certified and that there is "no information" the responsible person (s) can posses the firearm. This CLEARLY indicates to me that the FPs and photos have to be signed off on by CLEO and in doing so they have to ensure there isn't any reason the person on the Form 5320.23 can possess a firearm. This means 1; there is no law in that area not permitting it, and 2; the individual doesn't have anything in their background. So, CLEO sign off and CLEO background before any CLEO worth his weight is going to sign (of have anyone else) sign off on this.

BAM!!! CLEO sign off paradox again. Anyone see Denver Sheriffs office doing this? Hold your breath and stomp your foot.

Am I the only one that reads this section this way? NFA Trust guy?