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    Quote Originally Posted by WETWRKS View Post
    And you think the liberals won't propose their own changes? You think they won't demand a say?
    The amendments are written BEFORE the convention. They just convene to tweak them and vote on them. I don't think they can tweak the amendments enough to make them bad things (and certainly not do something silly like damage the 1A or 2A). Worst thing they'll be able to do is vote them down.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 68Charger View Post
    But to WETWRKS's point, many of these amendments could be abused by the left as well... what the constitution needs is teeth- punishments for deliberately passing unconstitutional laws. Severe punishments.

    And MUCH more specific limitations on growth of Federal Gov't. Make it damn clear that the states rights trump all but national security. Leave it to each state if they want to become commiefornia or libertarian, etc...
    Very good points.
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    I always thought "shall not be infringed" was pretty damned clear.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wulf202 View Post
    I always thought "shall not be infringed" was pretty damned clear.
    I don't think anyone here is in disagreement... and yet we still have to fight every day with people who have control over such things.
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    If I remember correctly, the advantage of a Constitutional Convention is that it isn't done by the 'electoral college' like our elections. The wads of libs in limited metropolitan areas can't dictate the agenda to the rest of the country.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WETWRKS View Post
    I don't trust that our current politicians are smarter than our founding fathers...the founding fathers put the amendments in place to protect us from people like we are facing now. They made the amendments deliberately difficult to change to keep politicians like we have now from stripping us of those rights...and we are considering handing them the key to take it all from us.
    Quote Originally Posted by HBARleatherneck View Post
    I believe wholeheartdly that if there was a Constitution convention, we would be worse off afterward. Do you not remember that over 50% of the idiots voted for obama? twice? and will gladly vote in criminal hilary? if there was a convention we would be fucked. and Americans are too civilized for a revolution. (well not all people living in America, but people like us)
    This and this.

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    Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't Amendments to the Constitution simply specified restrictions on what the government cannot do? I can't think of too many government restrictions that would worsen the country.

    That said, I imagine that the fear of a Constitution convention is that people would remove Amendments.

    Edit: After reading the article and the proposed amendments, I'm not sure I like all of them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wulf202 View Post
    I always thought "shall not be infringed" was pretty damned clear.
    If you've been paying attention the last seven or so years, you've probably come to understand words are just words (I think our King even said that, didn't he?). It's who holds power that matters. Who "won" the majority of votes to use gov as a weapon against those who lost.

    The Republic is dead. The laws are selectively interpreted and enforced. Liberals have even destroyed democracy (e.g. gay marriage).

    We don't need new Amendments or a new Constitution. We need the moral and physical courage to enforce the one we have. And that can be done without firing a shot. Until we have that, this is all just mental masturbation.

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    I agree with most of Abbot's proposals, except for the ones that allow them to ignore the Supreme Court.

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    Mark Levin has a great book called the Liberty Amendments in which he details a set of proposed Amendments that he believes would help restore liberty. It includes tons of history and reasoning. Great read.

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