Militia takes over Malheur National Wildlife Refuge headquarters TAKE 2

[Joe_K]

Fails in order as I see them.
1. Running from LE.
2. Trying to drive faster than LE aircraft.
3. Not stopping for a roadblock.
4. Slamming into an off road snow bank.
5. Doing ANYTHING with your hands aside from keeping them up and fingers spread AFTER running from LE, while LEO points guns at you.

To the point that this was riskier than arresting them at a public space. Really? The aerial footage pretty much looks to be sparsely populated. If you can choose no innocent bystanders getting plugged in a 2 way shootout with a bunch of idiots, or doing it in BFE, were would you pick?
These guys, (Bundy group), were NEVER going to win shit. They were uninvited, in someone else's back yard, picking a fight over someone else's problems, while breaking multiple laws. I didn't wish death on them, and I am extremely sympathetic to thier supposed underlying principles of smaller, less aggressive and intrusive government, but this was NOT the fight, NOT the Alamo, and NOT the time for this.

[hollohas]

Fails in order as I see them.
1. Running from LE.
2. Trying to drive faster than LE aircraft.
3. Not stopping for a roadblock.
4. Slamming into an off road snow bank.
5. Doing ANYTHING with your hands aside from keeping them up and fingers spread AFTER running from LE, while LEO points guns at you.

Agreed.

These guys, (Bundy group), were NEVER going to win shit. They were uninvited, in someone else's back yard, picking a fight over someone else's problems, while breaking multiple laws. I didn't wish death on them, and I am extremely sympathetic to thier supposed underlying principles of smaller, less aggressive and intrusive government, but this was NOT the fight, NOT the Alamo, and NOT the time for this.

Agreed.

To the point that this was riskier than arresting them at a public space. Really? The aerial footage pretty much looks to be sparsely populated. If you can choose no innocent bystanders getting plugged in a 2 way shootout with a bunch of idiots, or doing it in BFE, were would you pick?

Agree on principal. I do understand why they picked that tactic. You stack the deck as much as you can to win. I'm a fan of decisive, single sided wins. And the Feds made that happen in their favor. But disagree based on this specific situation. These guys had already met multiple times with the Sheriff in his office, no long arms, in a controlled space. Beginning and ending with handshakes. There is virtually zero chance of a gunfight during an arrest in that situation.

The tactic the feds used created the possibility for escalation that wouldn't have existed had they simply arrested them while they visited the sheriff, in his office, in a controlled space. They introduced unknowns that wouldn't have existed otherwise.

But at this point, what difference does it make.

[fitz19d]

Was he reaching for his pockets, or lifting his coat to show he was unarmed?

They said he had a handgun on him. Pretty poor attempt at showing anything the way he did.

Flash bangs and shots fired at the truck after Finicum was down?

At 6:23 in the policeone version of video can see a side door open before they flash bang it, so they had some others. With everyone shooting at everything wouldn't suprise me if some thought the shooting of finicum was maybe folks in the car etc.

Looks like he put his hands up, got shot, grabbed the wound, and was murdered for feeling pain. Looks like a total ambush set up to me. We likely are witnessing another Ruby Ridge here

Like someone said, folk don't usually grab wounds right after shot. The first several grabs at his coat pocket are clear as day. A few idiots are like OMG HIS LEFTTT HANNDDDD. Yeah, his left hand grabbed the tip of the coat to hold it still while his right was clearly trying to reach into the pocket area.

Looks to me like the officer that jumped in front of the truck thought the white pickup was going to hit the roadblock vehicle he was behind. Kind of seems like he jumped out of the way of a possible collision but guessed wrong.

I agree, yall beat me to that.