Reason # 15988457 to hate New Jersey and Chis Christie

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http://www.foxnews.com/us/2016/02/08...ntcmp=trending

New Jersey’s arcane gun law is preventing some retired cops from getting a permit to carry a concealed weapon, according to a published report.That’s because the law makes no provisions for retired public university police officers to get one, the Newark Star-Ledger reports.
“There seems to be discrepancy in whether [state] university police are viewed as working for a state agency,” attorney Thomas Roughneen told the paper.
He represents John Kotchkowski, 55, and Robert Dunsmuir, 48, two retired University of Medicine and Dentistry of New Jersey police sergeants who were denied right-to-carry permits.
A judge last month refused to grant Kotchkowski a permit on appeal. Dunsmuir’s appeal will be heard next month.
“It’s made me feel like my whole career was a sham, like they’re saying I wasn’t a real cop,” Kotchkowski told the paper Thursday.
He lost his appeal even though other retired campus cops have won theirs, the paper reported.

Why we should have to prove need to carry a weapon is ridiculous in the first place, but for some bureaucrat to arbitrarily decide it is criminal...


ETA: Thankfully I live in a mostly free state, although the libs are trying to erode that (and succeeding)

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Oh, FFS...can one of the Mods please correct the title...fingers are WAY too fat this morning...

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Doesn't LEOSA supersede their crap gun laws anyhow? Or is that only for active officers?

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Doesn't LEOSA supersede their crap gun laws anyhow? Or is that only for active officers?

Yes, LEOSA (18 U.S. Code Sect. 926B) supersedes NJ State Law. the Code specifically states:

(a) Notwithstanding any other provision of the law of any State or any political subdivision thereof, an individual who is a qualified law enforcement officer and who is carrying the identification required by subsection (d) may carry a concealed firearm that has been shipped or transported in interstate or foreign commerce, subject to subsection (b).

(b)This section shall not be construed to supersede or limit the laws of any State that—

(1)permit private persons or entities to prohibit or restrict the possession of concealed firearms on their property; or


(2)prohibit or restrict the possession of firearms on any State or local government property, installation, building, base, or park.
The NJ Retired carry permit mess came about after a retired Police Chief was killed trying to help an elderly couple that was attacked by armed men.

The article is miss leading. If you are a qualified person under the Code and meet the requirements there is no need for the NJ permit.

As a retired NJ LEO I always carry when visiting family in NY & NJ. The same should apply to everyone.

[Irving]

All laws should apply to all people. If this "hurts" retired cops, then maybe it will get the attention it deserves.

[HoneyBadger]

All laws should apply to all people. If this "hurts" retired cops, then maybe it will get the attention it deserves.

THIS^ Cops are not a special class of citizen. They have special duties and responsibilities when in uniform (which are agreed upon, in some way, by the people) and that is the limit of their "authority".

I've seen the same argument for military members and some localities actually do treat them differently (Colorado waives the CCW training requirement for Active Duty or recently separated military members) and it's absolutely unjust. Members of the military are not a special class of citizen and they don't deserve any more respect or special privilege than anyone else. Everyone needs to be treated with respect. Period. The law needs to apply equally to all humans. Period.

[cstone]

Everyone needs to be treated with respect. Period. The law needs to apply equally to all humans. Period.

Except the Clintons.

[Dave_L]

Except the Clintons.

He did say "Humans". Do the Clintons fall into that category?

[HoneyBadger]

He did say "Humans". Do the Clintons fall into that category?

Correct.

All joking aside, if we support the creation of a special class of animals, then it logically follows that some animals will be more equal than others.

[cstone]

I was under the impression that once anyone retires from any government job in NY or NJ they instantly moved to some other place with a reasonable cost of living, lower taxes and maybe even some nice weather...like FL or AZ.

Getting a retired carry permit in NJ is pretty low on the list of mistakes I can see in their thought process.