Reason # 15988457 to hate New Jersey and Chis Christie

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http://www.foxnews.com/us/2016/02/08...ntcmp=trending

New Jersey’s arcane gun law is preventing some retired cops from getting a permit to carry a concealed weapon, according to a published report.That’s because the law makes no provisions for retired public university police officers to get one, the Newark Star-Ledger reports.
“There seems to be discrepancy in whether [state] university police are viewed as working for a state agency,” attorney Thomas Roughneen told the paper.
He represents John Kotchkowski, 55, and Robert Dunsmuir, 48, two retired University of Medicine and Dentistry of New Jersey police sergeants who were denied right-to-carry permits.
A judge last month refused to grant Kotchkowski a permit on appeal. Dunsmuir’s appeal will be heard next month.
“It’s made me feel like my whole career was a sham, like they’re saying I wasn’t a real cop,” Kotchkowski told the paper Thursday.
He lost his appeal even though other retired campus cops have won theirs, the paper reported.

Why we should have to prove need to carry a weapon is ridiculous in the first place, but for some bureaucrat to arbitrarily decide it is criminal...


ETA: Thankfully I live in a mostly free state, although the libs are trying to erode that (and succeeding)

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Oh, FFS...can one of the Mods please correct the title...fingers are WAY too fat this morning...

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Doesn't LEOSA supersede their crap gun laws anyhow? Or is that only for active officers?

[Irving]

All laws should apply to all people. If this "hurts" retired cops, then maybe it will get the attention it deserves.

[cstone]

I was under the impression that once anyone retires from any government job in NY or NJ they instantly moved to some other place with a reasonable cost of living, lower taxes and maybe even some nice weather...like FL or AZ.

Getting a retired carry permit in NJ is pretty low on the list of mistakes I can see in their thought process.

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Don't get me wrong. I'd like to see constitutional carry in all 50 states and any US possessions, but how the hell does NJ get away with flouting federal law?

[Martinjmpr]

I believe another term for "retired cop" is "ordinary citizen." That being the case, such a citizen shouldn't have any greater, nor any lesser, right to a CCW permit just because he's a retired campus cop. Let him apply for a regular persons CCW permit just like any retired teacher, retired janitor or retired grocery store clerk would.

And yes, I get that the supposed justification for giving retired cops special CCW privileges is that they might be targeted by someone they arrested while they were on duty (though I think that's BS) but really, what's this guy worried about, that the frat boy he busted for having an unauthorized keg 30 years ago is going to come after him?

[Hoser]

but really, what's this guy worried about, that the frat boy he busted for having an unauthorized keg 30 years ago is going to come after him?

If you think campus police are a joke and don't do anything other than bust frat boys for unauthorized kegs, do a quick search for Garrett Swasey.

Nevermind, I will save you the effort. http://www.9news.com/story/news/loca...ater/76496346/

[hurley842002]

And yes, I get that the supposed justification for giving retired cops special CCW privileges is that they might be targeted by someone they arrested while they were on duty (though I think that's BS) but really, what's this guy worried about, that the frat boy he busted for having an unauthorized keg 30 years ago is going to come after him?

Yeah those frat boys are soooo much less dangerous than your average Joe on the street. I suppose that's the same thought process some members have, that don't think real crimes occur in prison...

[Martinjmpr]

If you think campus police are a joke and don't do anything other than bust frat boys for unauthorized kegs, do a quick search for Garrett Swasey.

Nevermind, I will save you the effort. http://www.9news.com/story/news/loca...ater/76496346/

Yeah those frat boys are soooo much less dangerous than your average Joe on the street. I suppose that's the same thought process some members have, that don't think real crimes occur in prison...

OK, point taken and I'll apologize for implying that campus police aren't real cops. Yes, campus cops sometimes have to deal with violent crime, and sometimes are even killed in the line of duty.

But the supposed justification for giving retired LEOs special privileges with regards to CCW permits is that cops often have to deal with organized crime or other hardened criminals who may well come after LEOs even when the LEOs are retired, for revenge. Does that really happen to campus cops? Does it really happen to big city street cops enough to justify granting them a special privilege that the rest of us are denied?

Because that's what this is about: Special privileges. These guys were used to having special privileges because they have a badge. Then they got denied their privilege and they're complaining about it. Note that they're not complaining about the denial as much as they are about being denied the special privilege they think they are entitled to, as if somehow being denied a permit besmirches their service.

I was vehemently opposed to LEOSA when it was proposed and I still am. Retired cops who have zero arrest powers are not "super citizens" with additional rights not available to the rest of us, and they have no reason to be granted a CCW permit that is not available to an ordinary citizen.