Trump carries

[Great-Kazoo]

Yep, it's time to get behind Trump so Hillary does not get to go back to the White House.

If she does. It would be the first time a woman has sat not only at the oval office desk, but under it.

[davsel]

If she does. It would be the first time a woman has sat not only at the oval office desk, but under it.

If you mean, at the same time - Yes.

[Joe_K]

If she does. It would be the first time a woman has sat not only at the oval office desk, but under it.

I'm pretty sure several Women have already sat under that British wooden desk.

Velocitas, Opprimere,
Violentia Operandi

[davsel]

I won't vote for Trump.

Don't forget your ball.

[milwaukeeshaker]

So who then? If he's the candidate, then what is your ballot choice?

I won't vote for Trump.

[milwaukeeshaker]

Yes! Too bad most do not understand this concept.

I have a a problem with some libertarian ideals, but the "do whatever as long as it doesn't hurt anyone else" ideal I actually support. If it doesn't hurt anyone else in any way, what don't you like? That's called liberty and freedom in my book.

[roberth]

Yes! Too bad most do not understand this concept.

I'm still waiting for a separate thread on that topic. Then we can discuss the lack of personal responsibility among other things inherent with "do whatever as long as it doesn't hurt anyone else".

This topic isn't about how most people on this board would behave, it would be about how 90% of the population would behave.

[Aloha_Shooter]

I will say the same thing to the NeverTrumpers as I would the NeverCruzers or NeverBushers: We cannot afford another 4 years of a Democratic Administration. Trump is far from the conservative I want in the office but he also isn't Hillary or Obama.

BTW, as far as Trump's complaints about Cruz "stealing" delegates go, see http://legalinsurrection.com/2016/04...ast-primaries/. Trump is getting more delegates per vote than Cruz and he's getting them primarily from states that he's unlikely to win in the General. Be that as it may, he has a chance to go to the convention with enough delegates to win nomination on the first round. If so, people need to understand the Dems are the enemy and as bad as Trump may be, he's not as bad as anyone the Dems might field. Anyone. Are people still under the misapprehension (confusion?) that the US would still be as bad off if Romney had won in 2012 or McCain <shudder> had won in 2008? Do we understand the long term damage that Obama has created, that Hillary or Bernie or Uncle Joe would exacerbate?

[Irving]

So who then? If he's the candidate, then what is your ballot choice?

Maybe no one. Voting for Trump is the same as voting for Obama in 2008. His followers like him because he isn't a career politician and want a GOP favorite. Those are two things that many people, including myself, have been asking to have for years, BUT it's not enough. Trump wouldn't make a good president, so he doesn't deserve a vote, no matter who he's running against.

There is certainly an argument for voting party line just to keep the other guys out of the office, but only to a point. I'm so tired of believing that my future will be greatly affected by who is in office this term or that term. That is a bullshit mindset that is easy to crawl into at moments of weakness. It largely doesn't matter.

[davsel]

So this is ok?

From last night:
http://www.c-span.org/video/?408722-...eech&start=515

"So we wild build on a strong progressive tradition, from Franklin Roosevelt to Barack Obama!" - HRC