Shooter driving around Kalamazoo County Michigan randomly killing people

[Calculated]

Question...

If there's an active shooter in one's neighborhood, under the rules regarding ID&D, and especially after someone has already been hit, wouldn't it be legal for one to stop the threat with their own rifle?

[HoneyBadger]

Question...

If there's an active shooter in one's neighborhood, under the rules regarding ID&D, and especially after someone has already been hit, wouldn't it be legal for one to stop the threat with their own rifle?

Do you fear for your life? Are you or your loved ones being directly threatened? Are you all out of possible escape routes? Real questions to consider...

[KestrelBike]

I will never own one for their ad campaigns and who they market to. The latest one was tree huggers...literally. And the majority of them are the granola hippy coexist Obama loving libtards. I think they are probably good vehicles, but you won't see me in one. Same with a Prius and their rainbow commercials and same bumper stickers as the subys.

Fair enough

Do you fear for your life? Are you or your loved ones being directly threatened? Are you all out of possible escape routes? Real questions to consider...

Lovely how society ties its own hands with liability issues, especially those coming from suspects' families looking to cash in after dear baby gets justifiably put down. Reminds me of China and their (lack of) good samaritan laws. Here's an awesome paper dealing with that: http://www.lawschool.cornell.edu/res...Tang-final.pdf It's why you see LiveLeak videos of indifferent chinese civilians staring-at/passing hurt people on the street for fear that they'll turn around and get sued by someone.

If an off-duty cop comes to the rescue with a rifle, "Oh he's just clocking in while in khakis and a t-shirt." If a civilian does the same, it's "What laws did he break and is the DA going to go after him?"

[smchop]

If an off-duty cop comes to the rescue with a rifle, "Oh he's just clocking in while in khakis and a t-shirt." If a civilian does the same, it's "What laws did he break and is the DA going to go after him?"

Sad but true fact, very well said.

[Bailey Guns]

If an off-duty cop comes to the rescue with a rifle, "Oh he's just clocking in while in khakis and a t-shirt." If a civilian does the same, it's "What laws did he break and is the DA going to go after him?"

In fairness, society expects this type of behavior from cops...on duty or off. The other issue is most people don't go about their daily lives with a rifle. As much as I preach to others about the superiority of rifle, I don't either because it's not practical. That's why we have handguns.

And there have been plenty of instances lately where Joe Citizen has intervened with a gun during shooting situations and not faced charges. In Colorado protecting an innocent third person from imminent death or SBI is no different from protecting yourself under the law. I don't think it's a given at all that a DA will always prosecute. Now a civil suit from the bad guy or his family? Different story.

Civil and criminal liability are exactly why we teach to engage only as a last resort...if your life or the life of someone you care about is in immediate jeopardy. Not a hard and fast "don't do it", more of a "make sure you understand the potential outcomes" before you make that decision.

[HoneyBadger]

Lovely how society ties its own hands with liability issues, especially those coming from suspects' families looking to cash in after dear baby gets justifiably put down.

My comment was geared more toward the personal moral justification of killing another person, which should always receive adequate consideration.

Yes, the legal/civil suit part of it is indeed sad.