Shooter driving around Kalamazoo County Michigan randomly killing people

[sniper7]

I <3 my subaru and don't understand the shade others throw. I've never lost control in the snow (that wasn't clearly my inexperienced fault) and never had a piece break or malfunction (knock on wood). I get good mileage and it takes me from point A to B and I feel reasonably secure in the event of a collision not involving a semi or F250 (not going to be the same as being in a heavier BMW or Benz, but I didn't want to be in that maintenance market at this point). I've never not been able to easily fit everything I wanted to in there.

I get it that a lot of people see soccer moms irresponsibly driving them as they apply makeup and gab on the phone or granola munching hipster-beard douchebags with obummer/biden stickers, but I've seen loads more dumb pieces of shit irresponsibly driving tahoes, suburbans, even pickups for that matter, etc.

I will never own one for their ad campaigns and who they market to. The latest one was tree huggers...literally. And the majority of them are the granola hippy coexist Obama loving libtards. I think they are probably good vehicles, but you won't see me in one. Same with a Prius and their rainbow commercials and same bumper stickers as the subys.

[driver]

Glad your family is safe.

Same here.

[HoneyBadger]

Question...

If there's an active shooter in one's neighborhood, under the rules regarding ID&D, and especially after someone has already been hit, wouldn't it be legal for one to stop the threat with their own rifle?

Do you fear for your life? Are you or your loved ones being directly threatened? Are you all out of possible escape routes? Real questions to consider...

[KestrelBike]

I will never own one for their ad campaigns and who they market to. The latest one was tree huggers...literally. And the majority of them are the granola hippy coexist Obama loving libtards. I think they are probably good vehicles, but you won't see me in one. Same with a Prius and their rainbow commercials and same bumper stickers as the subys.

Fair enough

Do you fear for your life? Are you or your loved ones being directly threatened? Are you all out of possible escape routes? Real questions to consider...

Lovely how society ties its own hands with liability issues, especially those coming from suspects' families looking to cash in after dear baby gets justifiably put down. Reminds me of China and their (lack of) good samaritan laws. Here's an awesome paper dealing with that: http://www.lawschool.cornell.edu/res...Tang-final.pdf It's why you see LiveLeak videos of indifferent chinese civilians staring-at/passing hurt people on the street for fear that they'll turn around and get sued by someone.

If an off-duty cop comes to the rescue with a rifle, "Oh he's just clocking in while in khakis and a t-shirt." If a civilian does the same, it's "What laws did he break and is the DA going to go after him?"

[smchop]

If an off-duty cop comes to the rescue with a rifle, "Oh he's just clocking in while in khakis and a t-shirt." If a civilian does the same, it's "What laws did he break and is the DA going to go after him?"

Sad but true fact, very well said.

[Bailey Guns]

If an off-duty cop comes to the rescue with a rifle, "Oh he's just clocking in while in khakis and a t-shirt." If a civilian does the same, it's "What laws did he break and is the DA going to go after him?"

In fairness, society expects this type of behavior from cops...on duty or off. The other issue is most people don't go about their daily lives with a rifle. As much as I preach to others about the superiority of rifle, I don't either because it's not practical. That's why we have handguns.

And there have been plenty of instances lately where Joe Citizen has intervened with a gun during shooting situations and not faced charges. In Colorado protecting an innocent third person from imminent death or SBI is no different from protecting yourself under the law. I don't think it's a given at all that a DA will always prosecute. Now a civil suit from the bad guy or his family? Different story.

Civil and criminal liability are exactly why we teach to engage only as a last resort...if your life or the life of someone you care about is in immediate jeopardy. Not a hard and fast "don't do it", more of a "make sure you understand the potential outcomes" before you make that decision.

[HoneyBadger]

Lovely how society ties its own hands with liability issues, especially those coming from suspects' families looking to cash in after dear baby gets justifiably put down.

My comment was geared more toward the personal moral justification of killing another person, which should always receive adequate consideration.

Yes, the legal/civil suit part of it is indeed sad.

[milwaukeeshaker]

VIOLENT Criminals aren't people, they are pond scum, I don't think twice about erasing scum.
There, it's fixed.

[hurley842002]

Criminals aren't people, they are pond scum, I don't think twice about erasing scum.

So regardless of the level of criminal activity, they should just all be erased, is that correct? Another profound statement from milwaukeeshaker....

[PugnacAutMortem]

Criminals aren't people, they are pond scum, I don't think twice about erasing scum.

Some of you guys...