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    While I'm sympathetic to the caucus system because it weeds out the closet and open leftists from influencing selections, it also distorts that selection by giving 'the little old ladies on 3rd street' undue influence. I've gone to caucus and to the county assembly as a delegate several times. But it isn't working when the early states effectively lock the nomination with eastern-centric politicians. Currently, Colorado Republicans have no input in the selection of the nominee.

    When McCain ran, I and others went to caucus primarily to see he didn't get the nomination, but the fix was already in, before the CO caucus. Same again with Trump, even though Cruz would likely be the winner among CO caucus or primary voters. We need to reform the state committee and move to an early closed primary system where only registered R's can vote in the R primary.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hummer View Post
    When McCain ran, I and others went to caucus primarily to see he didn't get the nomination, but the fix was already in, before the CO caucus. Same again with Trump, even though Cruz would likely be the winner among CO caucus or primary voters. We need to reform the state committee and move to an early closed primary system where only registered R's can vote in the R primary.
    I agree. I don't get the whole staggered system anyway...all it does is encourage candidates to lie and pander to each state's demographics in order to win. Well that and concentrate influence in the "first in the nation" states. All primaries/caucuses should be closed, and they should all be held on the same day. If nobody wins 50% +1 then auto-runoff. Although I concede that the above quoted suggestion is 100% more likely to occur than what I mentioned.

    ETA: Oh yeah, and +1 Asmo.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rumline View Post
    I agree. I don't get the whole staggered system anyway...all it does is encourage candidates to lie and pander to each state's demographics in order to win. Well that and concentrate influence in the "first in the nation" states. All primaries/caucuses should be closed, and they should all be held on the same day. If nobody wins 50% +1 then auto-runoff. Although I concede that the above quoted suggestion is 100% more likely to occur than what I mentioned.

    ETA: Oh yeah, and +1 Asmo.
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    We went to our first caucus last night, and I am severely understating things when I say it was a clusterf*ck and a ridiculous waste of time. The "old guard" was definitely in it to guard their positions. Resolutions were pounded through, fast and furious, and the bible-thumpers really tried to push their agenda.
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    I suggest you read the book "We won't get fooled again" by Gregg Jackson & Steve Deace. Great insight into the GOP & RNC & all things Republican.


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    The only Caucasus I've been to are in Russia near Georgia. Pretty country, lousy food.
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    I went to my caucus last night, we had 4 precincts represented and we split up to do our thing. By the end of the night I was elected as an alternate delegate and the results for the straw poll were:

    Rubio - 10
    Cruz - 4
    Kasich - 3
    Trump 1
    undecided - 2

    It was an education for sure and some good people there from college to long time retired, women were about a third of the meeting.
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    Quote Originally Posted by asmo View Post
    More importantly, the two districts that I was in the room with were filled with ultra-right wing bible thumpers. People who think that Rubio is left of Clinton, and that we should all be forced to pray to their god (not any other) in schools and work. Fuck that was chilling.

    Look I am fine with people having religion - but honestly the uber right wing religious nuts are what is ultimately killing the GOP. There is a reason why a lot of people are wanting Trump - and its because they are pissed off at the ultra right wing religious folks for taking over the party and driving it into a ditch of hate and divisiveness. They (uber right-wing religious zealots) gotta give a little on some key social issues or we are doomed to the Democratic version of the same (e.g. uber left wing socialists who are killing the Democratic party). Again, religion is fine and wonderful - but you gotta win the White House or it means nothing. Damn the moral high ground, this is politics! If you don't win - you don't have any ground at all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hummer View Post
    While I'm sympathetic to the caucus system because it weeds out the closet and open leftists from influencing selections, it also distorts that selection by giving 'the little old ladies on 3rd street' undue influence. I've gone to caucus and to the county assembly as a delegate several times. But it isn't working when the early states effectively lock the nomination with eastern-centric politicians... We need to reform the state committee and move to an early closed primary system where only registered R's can vote in the R primary.
    I've mentioned it before but the entire presidential candidate selection system needs to be overhauled.

    My suggestions are as follows:
    • ALL 51 primaries/caucuses are held on the first Tuesday after the first Monday in February of the year of the Election.
    • No more conventions. This new national Primary/Caucus day would replace them.
    • No candidate is allowed to officially announce (and thus fund raise) more than 3 months before Primary/Caucus Day (thus exactly one year before Election Day).
    • ALL 51 primaries/caucuses are closed (and the deadline for registration in your party of choice is 6 months prior. Only exceptions are for those that have moved or turned 18 during that time).
    • Primary elections or Caucuses would be allowed and that would be decided by the state parties or governments (we are all Federalists after all)...
    • ...But all primaries would be "preferential" or "Ranked" or "Instant-runnoff" type voting (this insuring that the wining candidate gets 50%+ of the actual vote). Also all caucuses would require 50%+ to declare a victor (but that's really the point of caucuses anyway and I assume that's how all of them are run now).
    • Results nor projections from primaries/caucuses can be made public until 7pm of the westernmost time zone in the country (which is currently Hawaii-Aleutian Time which is 10pm here in MST and midnight on Wednesday EST). This is a rule I'd like to see for general elections as well.


    I'm sick and tired of my candidate being picked by Democrats in New Hampshire.
    Oh and for the record I prefer a primary over a caucus for CO ... but I'm open to either if everyone else in the party wants to caucus I could live with that.
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