Denver's #1!!

[Guylee]

I'll probably be buying in the next 1.5-2 years, you guys are really not making me feel great about it.

Being single and having low expectations is definitely helpful, though.

[roberth]

What I learned in 2007/08 is that they will never let that bubble burst. Think about what it has taken to get prices to recover: TARP, mark-to-market, QE1-I. We've had a Fed rate at ~0% for seven years and now discussion of neg rates (which would encourage banks to hold foreclosures keeping prices up).

I think everything would be turned on end before we see another correction like 2008. There was talk of martial law, tanks on Main St back then if the banks weren't immediately given TARP which was supposed to isolate the "bad things" but was just used to float balance sheets until Obama was elected.

Thank you for remembering the financial pickle the Bush the Younger started and pResident Goatrider continued.

Wall Street, FedRes, and FedGov have themselves all tied up together, none of the three can exist in their current form without the other.

[Skip]

Thank you for remembering the financial pickle the Bush the Younger started and pResident Goatrider continued.

Wall Street, FedRes, and FedGov have themselves all tied up together, none of the three can exist in their current form without the other.

I think they would do anything to save that public/private partnership at all costs.

[Aloha_Shooter]

Just to correct things, Bush didn't start the financial pickle. It was building for a long time. Clinton's whole economic plan depended on the housing bubble letting him grow out of the increased spending and his reenergization of the Community Reinvestment Act spurred along the bad loans. Gingrich went along with it because it played into the fiction of them balancing the budget. I never understood why Greenspan didn't point to his report in the late 1990s decrying irrational exuberance in the financial markets as a defense when people blamed him for the final (but inevitable) crash when the bubble burst.

I blame Bush for a lot (especially the stupid expansion of Daylight Savings Time to please the outdoor grill industry!) but all he did was try to hang on so they could fix things slowly without creating a panic. I would have preferred they accepted the panic for the first couple of years of his presidency in order to spotlight and fix the market but remember he was dealing with PRC provocatism (remember the EP-3 being forced down at Hainan Island just 3 months after he took over), Democrats doing anything could to undermine his administration, and then 9-11.

The corrupt private/public partnership you and Skip rightfully object to has more to do with Goldman-Sachs than any of the politicians themselves and one of the few good arguments for Trump in my mind is that he'd be able to tell Goldman-Sachs to go to hell and pull in economic advisers from other sources.

[rondog]

If'n I were single, I could be real happy living in a shack attached to a big shop building.....

[Skip]

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The corrupt private/public partnership you and Skip rightfully object to has more to do with Goldman-Sachs than any of the politicians themselves and one of the few good arguments for Trump in my mind is that he'd be able to tell Goldman-Sachs to go to hell and pull in economic advisers from other sources.

Bush/Bernanke facilitated the re-writing of the rules to "socialize" the losses and created too big to fail. It's a precedent that lives on today and has damned the entire economy, this is why rates have been held to 0% for seven years. A healthy economy requires bad companies to fail (natural consequences and all). If a company can never fail, the entire economy must be invested to ensure its survival.

Bush was likely manipulated into that, and I think that's a very good argument given the threats we know were leveled, but he still made the decision to open to the public treasury. I have to assume other nastiness was promised that was never made public.

And the best part was TARP was unable to do what we were told it would do; isolate the toxic assets. The exposure was too great and they knew it at the time. TARP ending up being an injection of value to float balance sheets, nothing more.

So if the centrally-planned economy is invested in making sure certain companies, and the markets in general, succeed, what is the market price of a house when those companies/markets are heavily dependent on the success of housing?

Would that stop me from buying a house right now? Not if the dollars worked for me (rent vs. buy) as a commodity. Would I buy for an investment? Not sure I would right now.