Rumble at Trump event

[HoneyBadger]

This discussion reminds me of Fermi's paradox.

[roberth]

Neat!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fermi_paradox

The Fermi paradox or Fermi's paradox, named after Enrico Fermi, is the apparent contradiction between high estimates of the probability of the existence of extraterrestrial civilizations, such as in the Drake equation, and the lack of evidence for such civilizations.^[1] The basic points of the argument, made by physicists Enrico Fermi (1901–1954) and Michael H. Hart (born 1932), are:

• There are billions of stars in the galaxy that are similar to the Sun ^[2][3] including many billions of years older than Earth.^[4][5]
• With high probability, some of these stars will have Earth-like planets,^[6][7] and if the Earth is typical, some might develop intelligent life.
• Some of these civilizations might develop interstellar travel, a step the Earth is investigating now.
• Even at the slow pace of currently envisioned interstellar travel, the Milky Way galaxy could be completely traversed in about a million years.^[8]

According to this line of thinking, the Earth should have already been visited by extraterrestrial aliens. In an informal conversation, Fermi noted no convincing evidence of this, nor any signs of alien intelligence anywhere in the observable universe, leading him to ask, "Where is everybody?"^[9][10] There have been many attempts to explain the Fermi paradox,^[11][12] primarily suggesting either that intelligent extraterrestrial life is extremely rare, or proposing reasons that such civilizations have not contacted or visited Earth.

[Zundfolge]

Fermi noted no convincing evidence of this, nor any signs of alien intelligence anywhere in the observable universe, leading him to ask, "Where is everybody?"[

What if we're the first (and thus most advanced) intelligent species? There has to be a first, why couldn't it be us?

Or maybe most intelligent species destroy themselves because the level of technology needed for interstellar space travel is somewhat greater than the technology needed to wipe your entire planet clean in a war. One problem with great technology is that it creates resource abundance, which ultimately destroys the morality of a species as they turn from K selection to r selection. So maybe no species is ever capable of interstellar space travel because they keep hitting the reset button before then (or wiping themselves out completely).

[theGinsue]

Protesters interrupted Trumps Kansas City rally today then got pissy all over the internet about the police using pepper spray against them. Claimed thy have the right of "free speech" at these rally's. I'd hazard a guess that they don't think conservatives have the same right to protest in the same way at a Bernie or Hillary rally.

[HoneyBadger]

Or maybe most intelligent species destroy themselves because the level of technology needed for interstellar space travel is somewhat greater than the technology needed to wipe your entire planet clean in a war. One problem with great technology is that it creates resource abundance, which ultimately destroys the morality of a species as they turn from K selection to r selection. So maybe no species is ever capable of interstellar space travel because they keep hitting the reset button before then (or wiping themselves out completely).

^this is basically what the paradox is. What if we are rapidly approaching that reset button with weapons tech, artificial intelligence, or ISIS invaders, etc?

[HoneyBadger]

Protesters interrupted Trumps Kansas City rally today then got pissy all over the internet about the police using pepper spray against them. Claimed thy have the right of "free speech" at these rally's. I'd hazard a guess that they don't think conservatives have the same right to protest in the same way at a Bernie or Hillary rally.

I nominate you to find out.

[KestrelBike]

What if we're the first (and thus most advanced) intelligent species? There has to be a first, why couldn't it be us?

Or maybe most intelligent species destroy themselves because the level of technology needed for interstellar space travel is somewhat greater than the technology needed to wipe your entire planet clean in a war. One problem with great technology is that it creates resource abundance, which ultimately destroys the morality of a species as they turn from K selection to r selection. So maybe no species is ever capable of interstellar space travel because they keep hitting the reset button before then (or wiping themselves out completely).

All it takes is one planet with a more homogenous primary species, or a planet where the Nazis won, or a planet where the impetus was clear to see (an incoming asteroid the size of a mountain) and thus the motivation to get s*** done was greater than "hope and change"

[Skip]

Protesters interrupted Trumps Kansas City rally today then got pissy all over the internet about the police using pepper spray against them. Claimed thy have the right of "free speech" at these rally's. I'd hazard a guess that they don't think conservatives have the same right to protest in the same way at a Bernie or Hillary rally.

No doubt.

We're moving beyond the typical casual hypocrisy and onto the new rules.