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    My problem with Johnson (who I don't know personally nor know anyone who knows him) is that he comes off as a goofy old stoner. I don't disagree with him on the substance of issues much, but I just don't have any confidence in his ability to actually do the job ... its not like he turned New Mexico into a laissez faire, libertarian free market paradise (and frankly gave them Bill Richards ... bleh).

    I suspect he's a real nice guy and a good and decent guy but I just can't take him seriously.

    You have a point with Peterson not having executive experience and that would be a reason for serious Libertarians to not support him, but I think he'd be an easier sell to the general public.
    Modern liberalism is based on the idea that reality is obligated to conform to one's beliefs because; "I have the right to believe whatever I want".

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    Quote Originally Posted by asmo View Post
    In the best case, enough people voting Libertarian prevents any party from getting the majority - in which case the House of Representatives gets to pick the President.
    That is only if they get enough ELECTORAL votes. That means people not only voting Libertarian but winning states. The much more likely outcome is enough people voting Libertarian ensure Hillary wins.

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    Quote Originally Posted by asmo View Post
    My problem with Austin, whom a good friend of mine is very good friends with, is that he has zero executive leadership experience (his media consulting firm is rather small, consisting of himself solely) - and doesn't have damn near any concept of leading a large public services organization (let alone the entire executive branch). He is an idealist, a good speaker, and makes good twitter/facebook posts, but that does not a presidential candidate make.
    Presidents who have also had zero executive leadership experience prior to assuming office include:

    • Abraham Lincoln
    • John F. Kennedy
    • Lyndon B. Johnson
    • Barack H. Obama


    Presidents who had executive leadership experience prior to assuming office include:
    • Ulysses S. Grant
    • Theodore Roosevelt
    • Ronald Reagan
    • Jimmy Carter


    Executive leadership experience is just one factor in the whole person and frankly I consider less important than basic honesty, Constitutional philosophy, and appreciation for our common American heritage and traditions.

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    I keep hearing Killary yelling how inexperienced Trump is. If experience were critical to be POTUS then the requirements would be natural born citizen, at least 35 years of age, and prior political office held. But it doesn't. It appears to me that the founding fathers knew exactly what they were doing and didn't want to promote career politicians.

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    I think one could make a better argument that too much previous political experience is actually a detriment.

    We need to return to the idea of the "Citizen Legislator" and get away from the "Professional Political Class".
    Modern liberalism is based on the idea that reality is obligated to conform to one's beliefs because; "I have the right to believe whatever I want".

    "Everything the State says is a lie, and everything it has it has stolen.
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    "Every time something really bad happens, people cry out for safety, and the government answers by taking rights away from good people."
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    A World Without Guns <- Great Read!

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    Quote Originally Posted by foxtrot View Post
    Only if Bernie runs as an independent. It's a safe bet that moon bats are not going to defect towards a... gasp...libertarian. You might as well try to convince them to vote for pedo-bear. Hillary could win in that circumstance even with only 40-35% of the popular vote - would be quite easy.
    Actually, quite a bit of polling is showing that ~10% of Democrats *say* they would vote for a Libertarian vs. Hillary. But that aside, Trump isn't going to win a popular election. Hillary is going to be the next President anyway* - so might as well vote your conscience.

    * <tinfoilHat=on>The political machine won't let someone they don't control actually win.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rucker61 View Post
    This guy seems sane:

    http://andy2016.com/proposals/
    Wow! Just WOW!

    Just 3 of his "proposal" in and it's clear to me that this guy is so far off his rocker as to make most patients in the looney bin look completely sane. He reminds me of this nut job (0:26 seconds in):




    Quote Originally Posted by Zundfolge View Post
    I think one could make a better argument that too much previous political experience is actually a detriment.


    We need to return to the idea of the "Citizen Legislator" and get away from the "Professional Political Class".
    Amen to that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by theGinsue View Post
    Wow! Just WOW!

    Just 3 of his "proposal" in and it's clear to me that this guy is so far off his rocker as to make most patients in the looney bin look completely sane.
    That guy can't be real ... he comes of as a parody of every kook conspiracy nutter on both left and right all rolled into one ... I smell onion here.
    Modern liberalism is based on the idea that reality is obligated to conform to one's beliefs because; "I have the right to believe whatever I want".

    "Everything the State says is a lie, and everything it has it has stolen.
    -Friedrich Nietzsche

    "Every time something really bad happens, people cry out for safety, and the government answers by taking rights away from good people."
    -Penn Jillette

    A World Without Guns <- Great Read!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rucker61 View Post
    This guy seems sane:

    http://andy2016.com/proposals/
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    Quote Originally Posted by asmo View Post
    Gary Johnson is the only sane person running in the election. While I don't agree with absolutely everything, I agree a lot more with him than anyone else .
    Gary Johnson's anti-gun VP pick:

    https://www.conservativereview.com/c...from-bill-weld

    doesn't sound very libertarian to me....

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