Why aren't the idiots calling for a ban on pickup trucks yet?

[izzy]

I'm not saying to ban bikes, just that sharing the road should mean sharing the rules too.

[sniper7]

Comparing a constitutional right to a privilege, and hardly one at that is not a debate. Guns have no place in this thread honestly.

The egotistical mind of a cyclist is ever present. They don't honor size of vehicle and make way, they don't honor speed and move over, they don't acknowledge laws, signs or even basics or road safety. When was the last time you saw a guy on a bicycle use him arm to let other motorists know which direction he was going to turn? And I don't give a fuck how much somebody makes it doesn't give them more of a right to ride their bike on a road that I am paying for using my vehicle. I pay a shitload of taxes too. More in a month than most people make a month in fact so that argument can end right there. I just worked with a guy for 3 days that talked about his cycling, how he rides the canyon roads, he talked as if he were gods gift to the Tour de France because he watched in one year. And he also acknowledged he has never owned a gun and sees no point in it. And guess what he drives....a Subaru.

they teach you in basic grade school to correlate patterns and associate certain things with others. It is very easy to associate egotistic assholes on road bikes with liberal non gun owning assholes and I guarantee you will be an A in class if you judged 100 of them. It's easy to paint with a broad brush when you know you are going to cover almost the entire canvas with one swipe.

[DavieD55]

Not to take this off into a debate about taxes, but we pay through the nose in taxes, fees, and fines, especially on our license plate "fees" tax ritter. I sure as hell can't afford anymore taxes. But, I will say that there is no place for bicycles on the highway immune from responsibility when they cause an accident.

Just wanted to be clear that I don't support anymore taxes, even for the cyclists.

[speedysst]

After reading some of your hateful rants you have the nerve to talk about the "egotistical mind" of a cyclist?? You make so many assumptions about cyclists not paying taxes its not longer funny. May 1000 cyclists block your path.

Comparing a constitutional right to a privilege, and hardly one at that is not a debate. Guns have no place in this thread honestly.

The egotistical mind of a cyclist is ever present. They don't honor size of vehicle and make way, they don't honor speed and move over, they don't acknowledge laws, signs or even basics or road safety. When was the last time you saw a guy on a bicycle use him arm to let other motorists know which direction he was going to turn? And I don't give a fuck how much somebody makes it doesn't give them more of a right to ride their bike on a road that I am paying for using my vehicle. I pay a shitload of taxes too. More in a month than most people make a month in fact so that argument can end right there. I just worked with a guy for 3 days that talked about his cycling, how he rides the canyon roads, he talked as if he were gods gift to the Tour de France because he watched in one year. And he also acknowledged he has never owned a gun and sees no point in it. And guess what he drives....a Subaru.

they teach you in basic grade school to correlate patterns and associate certain things with others. It is very easy to associate egotistic assholes on road bikes with liberal non gun owning assholes and I guarantee you will be an A in class if you judged 100 of them. It's easy to paint with a broad brush when you know you are going to cover almost the entire canvas with one swipe.

[Irving]

If something isn't specifically illegal, it's your right to do it. There is no such thing as honoring the size of a vehicle. There are rules of the road, which include which vehicle has the greater duty to yield right of way to other vehicles, depending on the established rules of the road. No vehicle has the right of way either. Traffic statutes address who should yield to whom depending on the situation. Size never enters the equation. People who believe that because their vehicle is larger than another gives them the "right of way" are simply assholes with no understanding of traffic statutes. All this talk about speed limits can only be applied to roads with a posted minimum speed limit, of which there are very few.

Cyclists who ride in the road, yet ignore the rules of the road are just as much assholes as the people who think they own the road because they are in a vehicle.

I honestly don't understand the talk of licensing and taxes. It's just too dumb of an argument to merit any discussion.

[SSChameleon]

Comparing a constitutional right to a privilege, and hardly one at that is not a debate. Guns have no place in this thread honestly.

The egotistical mind of a cyclist is ever present. They don't honor size of vehicle and make way, they don't honor speed and move over, they don't acknowledge laws, signs or even basics or road safety. When was the last time you saw a guy on a bicycle use him arm to let other motorists know which direction he was going to turn? And I don't give a fuck how much somebody makes it doesn't give them more of a right to ride their bike on a road that I am paying for using my vehicle. I pay a shitload of taxes too. More in a month than most people make a month in fact so that argument can end right there. I just worked with a guy for 3 days that talked about his cycling, how he rides the canyon roads, he talked as if he were gods gift to the Tour de France because he watched in one year. And he also acknowledged he has never owned a gun and sees no point in it. And guess what he drives....a Subaru.

they teach you in basic grade school to correlate patterns and associate certain things with others. It is very easy to associate egotistic assholes on road bikes with liberal non gun owning assholes and I guarantee you will be an A in class if you judged 100 of them. It's easy to paint with a broad brush when you know you are going to cover almost the entire canvas with one swipe.

I guess since I ride a bike I should sell my guns and put a Bernie sticker on my truck. Wait...do I need to sell my truck and get a Subaru since I ride a bike? I should probably tell my friends who ride bikes and shoot guns that Sniper says we are all anti-gun now. Look for a fire sale in the trading post!

[davsel]

And the picture in the link of the truck and emergency equipment is one more reason to ban bicycles. why in the hell are bicyclists on a 50mph road? They can't do 50. Any sane person doesn't even want to be on the side of the road changing a tire next to their large vehicle with other people hauling past them sending texts, talking, eating, surfing the web etc. let alone on a tiny bicycle wearing spandex doing 20+mph less than that speed limit while multi-ton vehicles go flying past them because they are creating a needless hazard on the road.

its not like a tractor trying to get to another field, or construction equipment moving job sites going slow, with flashers on. These people purposely put themselves in these situations for pleasure/think they are lance Armstrong/exercise....go buy a stationary bike and a tv and a fan. Join a gym. Ride on designated bike lanes....which should either be taken away or paid for by bicyclists by registering them and getting correct safety equipment, but since they aren't paying to use the road...ban them.

+ 1,000,000

[TFOGGER]

I will say right now, I'm a road cyclist, motorcycle rider, and taxpayer. When I am forced to ride on the street, I follow the rules. I ride as far as is practical to the right(usually to the right of the white line), I obey traffic laws, and I am damned cognizant of the hazards and size differential inherent in riding on public roads. Even when I technically have the right of way, I will yield to the heavier, faster vehicles, because that is the safe and prudent thing to do. If I can ride off of public roads, I generally do, but sidewalks are made for pedestrians, and are not safe (or in many cases, legal) to ride on. As far as taxation goes, I'll be happy to pay an appropriate registration fee, based on vehicle weight and mileage, so if I have to pay $20 a year to register my bicycle, which weighs about 220 pounds with me on it, and covers about a thousand miles per year on public roads, then a guy who owns a 8600 lb GVW pickup that covers 20000 miles per year should pay $15636, based on vehicle weight*mileage. Yeah, it pisses me off when bicyclists and motorcyclists act like entitled asshats and make the rest of their respective communities look bad, but saying we're all evil entitled pricks is just like saying that all ATV guys tear the shit out of the national forests and should be banned, all campers are slobs, all shooters destroy public and private property, etcetera. Even if I am riding my bicycle, I still pay registration, insurance, etc. for my cars and motorcycles, which are causing no wear and tear on the road

[izzy]

In terms of the speed issue I think that someone driving say 40mph on I25 while in the fast lane (with clear traffic) is causing a safety issue. Not saying cyclists are assholes or have super egos, I'm not in that part of the discussion at all. I've heard of people getting pulled over though for going to slow without a minimum speed limit. It really can be a flat out safety issue. I don't think common sense in terms of using a less busy road, obeying lights and trying not to be obstructive is out of line.

[Squeeze]