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[crays]

Some, but when I served, gays were not allowed.

Take off your blinders, if you think you didn't serve with any gays.

You're always promoting looking at history. Do some research. Gays have been in our society for a long time. They are particularly adept at blending in, when necessary. We often never find out until well after the fact.


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[davsel]

Take off your blinders, if you think you didn't serve with any gays.

You're always promoting looking at history. Do some research. Gays have been in our society for a long time. They are particularly adept at blending in, when necessary. We often never find out until well after the fact.

[crays]

Some, but when I served, gays were not allowed -.

Just thought this statement was a bit naive. Kind of came across to me as "not allowed-didn't exist" in the context put forth.

Captain Obvious? Not really. Go back and re-read your post. You might see how it could be mis-construed.

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[davsel]

Just thought this statement was a bit naive. Kind of came across to me as "not allowed-didn't exist" in the context put forth.

Captain Obvious? Not really. Go back and re-read your post. You might see how it could be mis-construed.

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Perhaps if you read past the "-" in my original post, you would have better understood the "meaning" I was attempting to convey.
I'll try to spell it out more obviously in the future.


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[Fmedges]

Men and other men aren't the same.

See: Gersh Kunzman

Objective standards (if they exist or can be established) should determine which jobs should be available to people who are able to meet those standards.

If accurate shooting was the only criteria for infantry service, there are plenty of women that would outpace plenty of men. Clearly there are other areas, both physically and mentally that go into making a warrior.

Of those who have served, how much say did you have on who served in your unit with you? Leadership is about building a team with what you are given to work with and then accomplishing a mission with that team.

Just my $.02

We had 5 or 6 women at any given time. One of those women was really good and was quite an asset. The other 4-5 were either injured or pregnant or a combination of both at any given time. My engineer platoon had about 3-4 people injured or sick on any given day and consistently 75% of that group was the few women that we did have. I'm all for women being included in these units if the numbers worked out, but to be honest they don't and they haven't in the past. My wife is an excellent example. Max PT tests, excellent at her job, great leader, expert shooter, combat valor awards and way better at every aspect of the military than I was and yet couldn't ruck march at all. It was just physically impossible for her to carry that much weight for a prolonged amount of time.

[Hoser]

One of the finest leaders I have served under is a woman and she us also one of the best pilots I have flown with. She retired a couple years ago. Uncle Sam screwed up when he let her leave.

[crays]

Typical davsel response. No words.

Relying on links, emojis, memes , etc.

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[davsel]

I assumed a picture of Captain Obvious would suffice.

If not, here are some words.
I've never said I did not serve with gays.
I've never said gays have not been in our society for a long time.

I'm not sure what your point was, considering you are making statements about ideas I have never promoted.

[crays]

Uh,no. You were still putting it in the context of the military not accepting it, with the implication that it was not an issue.(i.e.: it didn't exist, but it does now due to lax leadership).

Great. Glad your head is not in the sand.

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[davsel]

Uh,no. You were still putting it in the context of the military not accepting it, with the implication that it was not an issue.(i.e.: it didn't exist, but it does now due to lax leadership).

Great. Glad your head is not in the sand.

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My point being that it was not accepted in the military at the time. Therefore, if gays were "outed," they were removed from service. We were not forced into accepting them into our Units. They were considered incompatible with military service. If they kept a low enough profile, they remained.

Today, our military is forced into accepting damn near everyone, regardless of their compatibility with military service, and any military member who questions this is the one being removed.

It's a bunch of PC, social diversity, feminist nonsense that gets people killed.