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    Default Military Myths & Legends: Common Myths of the Vietnam War

    Found this piece on myths/legends around certain things with Vietnam interesting.

    Not sure if you need to be a member of Together We Served (free, btw) to see the link:http://army.togetherweserved.com/arm....html#article3

    So here's the article in its entirety....
    Military Myths & Legends: Common Myths of the Vietnam War



    Common belief is that most Vietnam veterans were drafted.

    Fact: 2/3 of the men who served in Vietnam were volunteers. 2/3 of the men who served in World War II were drafted. Approximately 70% of those killed in Vietnam were volunteers.

    Common belief that the media reported suicides among Vietnam veterans range from 50,000 to 100,000 - 6 to 11 times the non-Vietnam veteran population.

    Fact: Mortality studies show that 9,000 is a better estimate. "The CDC Vietnam Experience Study Mortality Assessment showed that during the first 5 years after discharge, deaths from suicide were 1.7 times more likely among Vietnam veterans than non-Vietnam veterans. After that initial post-service period, Vietnam veterans were no more likely to die from suicide than non-Vietnam veterans. In fact, after the 5-year post-service period, the rate of suicides is less in the Vietnam veterans' group.

    Common belief is that a disproportionate number of blacks were killed in the Vietnam War.

    Fact: 86% of the men who died in Vietnam were Caucasians, 12.5% were black, and 1.2% were other races. Sociologists Charles C. Moskos and John Sibley Butler, in their recently published book "All That We Can Be," said they analyzed the claim that blacks were used like cannon fodder during Vietnam "and can report definitely that this charge is untrue. Black fatalities amounted to 12 percent of all Americans killed in Southeast Asia, a figure proportional to the number of blacks in the U.S. population at the time and slightly lower than the proportion of blacks in the Army at the close of the war."

    Common belief is that the war was fought largely by the poor and uneducated.

    Fact: Servicemen who went to Vietnam from well-to-do areas had a slightly elevated risk of dying because they were more likely to be pilots or infantry officers. Vietnam Veterans were the best-educated forces our nation had ever sent into combat. 79% had a high school education or better.

    The common belief is the average age of an infantryman fighting in Vietnam was 19.

    Fact: Assuming KIAs accurately represented age groups serving in Vietnam, the average age of an infantryman (MOS 11B) serving in Vietnam to be 19 years old is a myth, it is actually 22. None of the enlisted grades have an average age of less than 20. The average man who fought in World War II was 26 years of age.

    The common belief is that the domino theory was proved false.

    Fact: The domino theory was accurate. The ASEAN (Association of Southeast Asian Nations) countries, Philippines, Indonesia, Malaysia, Singapore and Thailand stayed free of Communism because of the U.S. commitment to Vietnam. The Indonesians threw the Soviets out in 1966 because of America's commitment in Vietnam. Without that commitment, Communism would have swept all the way to the Malacca Straits that is south of Singapore and of great strategic importance to the free world. If you ask people who live in these countries that won the war in Vietnam, they have a different opinion from the American news media. The Vietnam War was the turning point for Communism.

    The common belief is that the fighting in Vietnam was not as intense as in World War II.

    Fact: The average infantryman in the South Pacific during World War II saw about 40 days of combat in four years. The average infantryman in Vietnam saw about 240 days of combat in one year thanks to the mobility of the helicopter. One out of every 10 Americans who served in Vietnam was a casualty. 58,148 were killed and 304,000 wounded out of 2.7 million who served. Although the percent that died is similar to other wars, amputations or crippling wounds were 300 percent higher than in World War II. 75,000 Vietnam veterans are severely disabled. MEDEVAC helicopters flew nearly 500,000 missions. Over 900,000 patients were airlifted (nearly half were American). The average time lapse between wounding to hospitalization was less than one hour. As a result, less than one percent of all Americans wounded, who survived the first 24 hours, died. The helicopter provided unprecedented mobility. Without the helicopter it would have taken three times as many troops to secure the 800-mile border with Cambodia and Laos (the politicians thought the Geneva Conventions of 1954 and the Geneva Accords or 1962 would secure the border).

    The common belief that Kim Phuc, the little nine-year-old Vietnamese girl running naked from the napalm strike near Trang Bang on 8 June 1972 (shown a million times on American television), was burned by Americans bombing Trang Bang.

    Fact: No American had involvement in this incident near Trang Bang that burned Phan Thi Kim Phuc. The planes doing the bombing near the village were VNAF (Vietnam Air Force) and were being flown by Vietnamese pilots in support of South Vietnamese troops on the ground. The Vietnamese pilot who dropped the napalm in error is currently living in the United States. Even the AP photographer, Nick Ut, who took the picture, was Vietnamese. The incident in the photo took place on the second day of a three-day battle between the North Vietnamese Army (NVA) who occupied the village of Trang Bang and the ARVN (Army of the Republic of Vietnam) who were trying to force the NVA out of the village. Recent reports in the news media that an American commander ordered the air strike that burned Kim Phuc are incorrect. There were no Americans involved in any capacity. "We (Americans) had nothing to do with controlling VNAF," according to Lieutenant General (Ret) James F. Hollingsworth, the Commanding General of TRAC at that time. Also, it has been incorrectly reported that two of Kim Phuc's brothers were killed in this incident. They were Kim's cousins not her brothers.

    The common belief that the United States lost the war in Vietnam.

    Fact: The American military was not defeated in Vietnam. The American military did not lose a battle of any consequence. From a military standpoint, it was almost an unprecedented performance. General Westmoreland quoting Douglas Pike (a professor at the University of California, Berkeley), a major military defeat for the VC and NVA. The United States Did Not Lose the War in Vietnam; The South Vietnamese did after the U.S. Congress cut off funding. The South Vietnamese ran out of fuel, ammunition and other supplies because of a lack of support from Congress, while the North Vietnamese were very well supplied by China and the Soviet Union. The fall of Saigon happened 30 April 1975, two years AFTER the American military left Vietnam. The last American troops departed in their entirety 29 March 1973. How could we lose a war we had already stopped fighting? We fought to an agreed stalemate. The peace settlement was signed in Paris on 27 January 1973. It called for release of all U.S. prisoners, withdrawal of U.S. forces, limitation of both sides' forces inside South Vietnam and a commitment to peaceful reunification. The 140,000 evacuees in April 1975 during the fall of Saigon consisted almost entirely of civilians and Vietnamese military, NOT American military running for their lives. There were almost twice as many casualties in Southeast Asia (primarily Cambodia) the first two years after the fall of Saigon in 1975 than there were during the ten years the U.S. was involved in Vietnam.

    Thanks for the perceived loss and the countless assassinations and torture visited upon Vietnamese, Laotians, and Cambodians goes mainly to the American media and their undying support-by-misrepresentation of the anti-War movement in the United States. As with much of the Vietnam War, the news media misreported and misinterpreted the 1968 Tet Offensive. It was reported as an overwhelming success for the Communist forces and a decided defeat for the U.S. forces. Nothing could be further from the truth. Despite initial victories by the Communists forces, the Tet Offensive resulted in a major defeat of those forces. General Vo Nguyen Giap, the designer of the Tet Offensive, is considered by some as ranking with Wellington, Grant, Lee and MacArthur as a great commander. Still, militarily, the Tet Offensive was a total defeat of the Communist forces on all fronts. It resulted in the death of some 45,000 NVA troops and the complete, if not total destruction of the Viet Cong elements in South Vietnam. The Organization of the Viet Cong Units in the South never recovered. The Tet Offensive succeeded on only one front and that was the News front and the political arena. This was another example in the Vietnam War of an inaccuracy becoming the perceived truth. However, inaccurately reported, the News Media made the Tet Offensive famous.





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    So, what you're saying is that the media has been misreporting things for at least 45 years or so?

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    A surprising revelation, I know.

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    Good article. I actually learned some facts from this. Thanks!!

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    Thanks for posting.

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    The article did not cover;
    - The Gulf of Tonkin incident
    - Mattel M-16's
    - John Kerry's Purple Hearts




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    I'm going to have to quibble with that last "myth." The US Objective was to prevent South Vietnam from falling to the Communist North. In that, we failed and it is appropriate to say that we "lost" Vietnam.

    As an avid history reader I'll recommend probably the best book I've ever read on the history of the Vietnam war:

    Vietnam at War

    https://www.amazon.com/Vietnam-at-Wa...vietnam+at+war

    It was written by LTG Phillip Davidson, who was Westmoreland's G2 (Intelligence officer) during the most critical phases of the war. Davidson traces the war all the way back to 1945, the battles between Ho Chi Minh and the Japanese at the end of WWII (in which the US provided some very limited support to Ho), the whole debacle with the French (if you didn't hate the French before, you will after reading this), the US operations beginning in the mid 1950's (right after the French left) and finally what happened after the US pulled out at the end of 1972.

    The overall impression I've gotten (and I've read a lot on the subject as well as being the son of a 4 tour VN vet and history professor) is that the whole thing was almost a Greek tragedy.

    Yes, American soldiers, sailors, airmen and marines fought bravely and valiantly, in some of the most ferocious fighting in US military history. And yet - what they were fighting for, the South Vietnamese government, was always a weak, corrupt, and ultimately worthless cause (although I do agree that the presence of US military forces certainly slowed down the spread of Communism in Asia and prevented it's spread to the likes of Thailand, the Philippines and Indonesia.)

    Worst of all, the US was looking for an exit as far back as 1967, so from that point on, all the Communists had to do was wait us out - they knew our patience would wear out sooner or later.

    Some other books I really enjoyed on the VN war are:

    Street Without Joy by Bernard Fall

    https://www.amazon.com/Street-Withou...DRAV4TY8VT61DM

    This is about the French campaigns in 1953 - 54 that ended up so badly for them. Very prescient about what would happen if the US got involved, though.

    A Bright Shining Lie, by Neil Sheehan.

    https://www.amazon.com/Bright-Shinin...ZW8QQNK6V1KSNB

    This is a biography of John Paul Vann, who started out as a military advisor in the early phases of the war and then became the USAID chief in Vietnam at the very end. There is a lot here about the frustration of the military that was not allowed to pursue what were known to be winning strategies, for political reasons.

    All good reads and highly recommended.
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