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    Default More BS from the greenies...

    https://wattsupwiththat.com/2016/06/...hours-per-day/

    I have to assume that this is a typo:The tower produces 110 megawatts of energy for 12 hours a day according to the company, which works out to roughly 1 million megawatts per year.
    Surely they mean 1 million megawatt-hours per year… But, then again, I doubt the EcoWatch “journalist” knows or even cares about the difference between megawatts and megawatt-hours. And there’s a bit of a math problem
    110 MW * 12 hr/day * 365 days/yr = 481,800 MWh/yr
    481,800 is not roughly 1 million.
    This power plant cost $975,000,000 to build ($8.9 million per MW, ten times the cost of a natural gas fired power plant). Taxpayers are on the hook for 76% of this cost through Federal loan guarantees. The 25-yr wholesale price guarantee of $135/MWh, about 30% higher than the average US retail price (all sectors). This is the “good news.”
    While the plant has barely started operating, there is some production history.
    Soooo... even at full capacity, it will produce less than half of what they claimed, and to date it's never run at more than about 25%...so it cost almost a billion dollars to build a plant that produces around 12.5 percent of the power it was supposed to...


    Math is hard for liberals...
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    You think math is hard for liberals?
    Try them with truth and facts!
    Their heads will explode like a zit on a 14 year old.
    The most important thing to be learned from those who demand "Equality For All" is that all are not equal...

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    Meanwhile in leftist kalifonya they're having power shortages and are expecting up to 14 days without power in some places.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BPTactical View Post
    You think math is hard for liberals?
    Try them with truth and facts!
    Their heads will explode like a zit on a 14 year old.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zundfolge View Post
    Want to anger a conservative? Lie to them.
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    Are bumper stickers available?
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    Quote Originally Posted by BPTactical View Post
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    On a recent trip out to Southern California, I was totally shocked at how many solar projects are being constructed.

    I will comment on this after I drop my kids off.

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    Natural gas and coal are available 24x7. Wind and solar cannot even begin to match that availability nor can they match the low cost of natural gas and coal. Wind and solar need batteries to get to 24x7 coverage, creation and disposal of toxic batteries is something else the left ignores.

    Solar is pretty good on the individual home except the for the subsidies paid by the net tax payer directly to the people who get solar. Dump the subsidy and watch all these solar companies go under.

    Wind energy was a waste of time and material and skill from the git-go, much less treat as a viable source of energy. Don't bring up the bird kill caused by wind farms, the nature nazis won't hear it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by roberth View Post
    Natural gas and coal are available 24x7. Wind and solar cannot even begin to match that availability nor can they match the low cost of natural gas and coal. Wind and solar need batteries to get to 24x7 coverage, creation and disposal of toxic batteries is something else the left ignores.

    Solar is pretty good on the individual home except the for the subsidies paid by the net tax payer directly to the people who get solar. Dump the subsidy and watch all these solar companies go under.

    Wind energy was a waste of time and material and skill from the git-go, much less treat as a viable source of energy. Don't bring up the bird kill caused by wind farms, the nature nazis won't hear it.

    And the communists are attempting to ban all oil and gas production in colorado with Initiative 78

    http://www.journal-advocate.com/ster...ld-ban-oil-gas.

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    Quote Originally Posted by roberth View Post
    Natural gas and coal are available 24x7. Wind and solar cannot even begin to match that availability nor can they match the low cost of natural gas and coal. Wind and solar need batteries to get to 24x7 coverage, creation and disposal of toxic batteries is something else the left ignores.

    Solar is pretty good on the individual home except the for the subsidies paid by the net tax payer directly to the people who get solar. Dump the subsidy and watch all these solar companies go under.

    Wind energy was a waste of time and material and skill from the git-go, much less treat as a viable source of energy. Don't bring up the bird kill caused by wind farms, the nature nazis won't hear it.
    The whole point of this particular project was to store the energy as heat (molten salt) for use during time of demand and limited or no production. Unfortunately, the results have been less than spectacular, and the cost has been astronomical.
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