More BS from the greenies...

[ColoradoTJ]

I'm not saying Solar is not the way to go, just that this particular project has yet to produce even a large fraction of what it was designed to(much like many nuke plants), yet the greenies are hailing it as a huge success. Conceptually, this design has considerable merit, but it has not yet realized that potential.

Oh I agree with you. When people don't have power...holy hell. Here is another ass kicker. What do you think a person in a low income family pays in CA for electricity per month? 18.00. I totally crapped when I heard that.

Give it time to work out the bugs. The plant I run took a few years to make it all be reliable and cost effective. The website is what I was debating, not you personally.

[Not_A_Llama]

To be entirely fair:
The 480 MWh vs 1 Million MWh figure comes from Ecowatch, not the project
$737mm is DOE loan guarantees if the project fails
Nov-Mar generation is all that's available so far; not really max gen in the solar space
The solar-thermal play does help even out the renewable capacity gap

$135/MWh peak on a PPA... I'm not honestly sure who's getting the deal there. Expectation with solar ramp-up in the next couple decades is for an anti-peak to start forming in certain congested nodes.
As reliance on solar increases, it should be interesting to see a lot of the recent baseload CC Nat Gas generation fall into more of a spinning reserves type role.

[TFOGGER]

Oh I agree with you. When people don't have power...holy hell. Here is another ass kicker. What do you think a person in a low income family pays in CA for electricity per month? 18.00. I totally crapped when I heard that.

Give it time to work out the bugs. The plant I run took a few years to make it all be reliable and cost effective. The website is what I was debating, not you personally.

I welcome informed debate, particularly from someone that has inside knowledge of the subject that can help educate me!

[Zundfolge]

You think math is hard for liberals?
Try them with truth and facts!
Their heads will explode like a zit on a 14 year old.

Want to anger a conservative? Lie to them.
Want to anger a liberal? Tell them the truth.

[Great-Kazoo]

Oh I agree with you. When people don't have power...holy hell. Here is another ass kicker. What do you think a person (That works, who subsidizes) a low income family pays in CA for electricity per month? 18.00. I totally crapped when I heard that.

Give it time to work out the bugs. The plant I run took a few years to make it all be reliable and cost effective. The website is what I was debating, not you personally.

CA has so many "safety nets" for everyone. BUT the working / taxed who carry the burden of everyone else.

Their latest "gem" is Registration of wood & pellet stoves. Naturally an additional "fee' added to purchase of said item.

[BPTactical]

Want to anger a conservative? Lie to them.
Want to anger a liberal? Tell them the truth.

Are bumper stickers available?

[Wulf202]

Are bumper stickers available?

PM mazin

[ColoradoTJ]

$135/MWh peak on a PPA... I'm not honestly sure who's getting the deal there. Expectation with solar ramp-up in the next couple decades is for an anti-peak to start forming in certain congested nodes.
As reliance on solar increases, it should be interesting to see a lot of the recent baseload CC Nat Gas generation fall into more of a spinning reserves type role.

This has already happened, or cycling on a daily basis. This all depends if a merchant vs utility and what your portfolio looks like. Most markets, run an economic dispatch to run the cheapest plant at the top, then followed by the next most efficient...and so on. This will for sure be interesting on how the market is changed, better or worse.

[Aloha_Shooter]

Green is the new Red. That's all.

[HoneyBadger]

Oh I agree with you. When people don't have power...holy hell. Here is another ass kicker. What do you think a person in a low income family pays in CA for electricity per month? 18.00. I totally crapped when I heard that.

Give it time to work out the bugs. The plant I run took a few years to make it all be reliable and cost effective. The website is what I was debating, not you personally.

Want to know what a person with a regular income pays?

I live in a 1500 sqft single level brand new house with no A/C and all of the most efficient appliances. Our electric bill is usually $90+ every month. I would consider us to be pretty energy-conscious, mostly because we pay (on average) 2.1x more per KWh here than we did in Colorado Springs and we can't afford to leave the lights on. Of course, I'm too "rich" to get subsidized utilities (read: My basic Air Force income is too much to use the government to force someone else to pay for my financial decisions.)



ETA: Do we have an industry experts on wind power?

I've seen various memes and perused various articles concluding that wind turbines will never pay for their own "carbon footprint" if you consider the hundreds of tons of steel that is required for their production (which must be mined, transported, formed, etc., probably with coal-burning furnaces haha) and other associated costs, like producing, transporting, and installing the actual turbines, along with the regular required maintenance, which is all performed by fossil-fuel burning vehicles, the required infrastructure, etc. Is this remotely accurate?