Coup in Turkey?

[Gman]

I'm guessing that not many of them really want to fire on their fellow countrymen.

It's tough to have a successful coup when you're not as extreme as those you're trying to overthrow.

[Ah Pook]

Too soon?

[Robb]

After some quick education I would certainly consider the coup to be a good thing, too bad it appears to be failing.

[Hummer]

It's tough to have a successful coup when you're not as extreme as those you're trying to overthrow.

Very true, and might suggest forgiveness for the 'establishment' Republicans who failed to function as an opposition party and to counter Obamas moves to fundamentally change America. Not sure I want to go the forgivness route myself, yet. But no doubt the fear of a powerful and unchecked leftist media rightly strikes terror in any politician who wants to avoid becoming a target and keep his job. There still are some marginally impartial journalists in America but not one works in the mainstream TV. They are all propagandists working for powerful, invisible entities. Everybody below national is second tier and expendable. There's a reason why Americans have a lower regard for the mainstream media than they do of congress.

[HoneyBadger]

Helicopter based gunfire in Ankara, Turkey's capital.

https://twitter.com/throwawayankara/...98068212027392

I'm guessing that not many of them really want to fire on their fellow countrymen.

Shooting the people whose support your rely on is not a very good strategy.

[Chief_of_Scouts]

After some quick education I would certainly consider the coup to be a good thing, too bad it appears to be failing.

Failing? Maybe, but there are some conflicting reports. U.S. media seems to be following the usual paths. Progressive media says the coup has failed. Conservative media seems to paint a different picture.

[HoneyBadger]

Failing? Maybe, but there are some conflicting reports. U.S. media seems to be following the usual paths. Progressive media says the coup has failed. Conservative media seems to paint a different picture.

The coup has most certainly failed. It consisted of a small portion of the military acting without public support. The vast majority of the fatalities are rebels that were executed or killed in skirmishes. Almost 3000 rebels detained. Regardless of the intent, it was poorly executed.

I'd be interested in seeing some of the conservative media outlets that have led you to believe otherwise.

[fitz19d]

Shooting the people whose support your rely on is not a very good strategy.

Uh they were shooting at a building. Notably the police or Intel hq?



It's sad since this was probably the only shot to avoid turning into the Islamic version of North Korea with crazy dictator

[Bailey Guns]

Unfortunately, the coup has pretty much failed and Erdogan will stay in power. Erdogan is basically an ayatollah in a suit and without a beard. Turkey, under Erdogan, is becoming a hard-core Islamist state. That is not a good thing.

One other thing I find fascinating about this is in relation to conversations I see here from time to time. Some people have this romantic notion of "revolution" or it's "time to hit the reset button" or whatever, in our country. Well, this is what it looks like if things don't "reset" the way you want them to. Revolution doesn't always work and sometimes things turn out worse for the rebels than they were before. Just because you decide to have a revolution doesn't mean things are going to go your way. There are a lot of folks in Turkey learning that very hard lesson this morning.

[HoneyBadger]

One other thing I find fascinating about this is in relation to conversations I see here from time to time. Some people have this romantic notion of "revolution" or it's "time to hit the reset button" or whatever, in our country. Well, this is what it looks like if things don't "reset" the way you want them to. Revolution doesn't always work and sometimes things turn out worse for the rebels than they were before. Just because you decide to have a revolution doesn't mean things are going to go your way. There are a lot of folks in Turkey learning that very hard lesson this morning.

Completely valid point, but I think most rational people can only be pushed so far before they are emotionally ready to make drastic sacrifices. In layman's terms, some people would rather die than keep living under their present conditions.