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    Zombie Slayer Zundfolge's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by theGinsue View Post
    I'll say this about voting one's conscience:

    As one prepares to do so, realize that there are just 2 viable candidates who legitimately have a chance of winning this election, Hillary or Trump. There is no 3rd party candidate with any chance of winning. Period.
    Well yes and no.

    There isn't one election for president, there's 51.

    For those of us that live in Colorado, this is a 50/50 state so it's vitally important that we come together here behind Trump and defeat Hillary.

    But for those in states like California or Massachusetts where there will never be enough Republican votes to win the state, you might as well lodge a "protest vote" for some third party loser or write in Alfred E Newman or not vote at all (just make sure you vote in all the down ballot races) ... just realize that nobody in the two major parties will pay attention or give a shit so your "protest" will go unheard, but if it makes you feel better than go for it.

    Quote Originally Posted by asmo View Post
    While I have no belief that Johnson will will the election, I do believe if we can get him above the 15% mark there is a chance in 4 years. If I vote for either Hillary or Donald it will be the exact same, if not worse, 4 years from now.
    This is foolishness. The republic and the constitution will survive Donald. If he's elected it'll not likely "save America" (let alone make it great again), but it will give us time to regroup and come back stronger. But if Hillary wins, there will be no more solutions left "within the system" because the system will become completely and utterly corrupted and the Constitution dead the instant she replaces Scalia (she's already said that Citizens United and Heller are going to be dragged back and reversed, and there goes the 1st and 2nd Amendments, gone forever). At that point the only course of action left to us will be violent revolution. Period. And that's an option we will lose because its going to take a hell of a lot more than III% to win this time and we barely have that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zundfolge View Post
    This is foolishness. The republic and the constitution will survive Donald. If he's elected it'll not likely "save America" (let alone make it great again), but it will give us time to regroup and come back stronger. But if Hillary wins, there will be no more solutions left "within the system" because the system will become completely and utterly corrupted and the Constitution dead the instant she replaces Scalia (she's already said that Citizens United and Heller are going to be dragged back and reversed, and there goes the 1st and 2nd Amendments, gone forever). At that point the only course of action left to us will be violent revolution. Period. And that's an option we will lose because its going to take a hell of a lot more than III% to win this time and we barely have that.
    The Republic, in some horrible disfigured form, will survive either. Whether its time to press the big red Jefferson button now vs. later (vs. ever) is beside the point. What is more telling is that you (and others) actually see a difference between Hillary (Dems in general) and Donald (Right in general) - there isn't. Both want to control you via some twisted morality play, and neither want you to have actual freedom. Look I don't want anyone in my wallet or my bedroom, or my body and anymore there is only one party that supports that.
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    While the Republic will survive up to 8 years of Hillary, can it survive the 30-40 years of up to 5 SCOTUS picks by Hillary?
    Quote Originally Posted by asmo View Post
    The Republic, in some horrible disfigured form, will survive either. Whether its time to press the big red Jefferson button now vs. later (vs. ever) is beside the point. What is more telling is that you (and others) actually see a difference between Hillary (Dems in general) and Donald (Right in general) - there isn't. Both want to control you via some twisted morality play, and neither want you to have actual freedom. Look I don't want anyone in my wallet or my bedroom, or my body and anymore there is only one party that supports that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by speedysst View Post
    While the Republic will survive up to 8 years of Hillary, can it survive the 30-40 years of up to 5 SCOTUS picks by Hillary?
    Fact. I believe the collective judges have more power than anyone in this country by far.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fmedges View Post
    Fact. I believe the collective judges have more power than anyone in this country by far.
    It is because when the progressives fail at the ballot box, fail at the legislative level they fall back to the judiciary . It is unfortunate this branch was to uphold the constitution and protect us against the other two branches of the Gov and to uphold the laws EQUALLY. We need to understand this or the progressives will continue their drum beat towards effectively replacing the constitution without having to remove the document.

    It is the ONLY reason I vote for Trump in this swing state. If I lived in a solidly red or blue state then I could protest vote all day long.

    Remember even if you are turned off by the POTUS picks please vote for the down ticket. It would be our only hope if Hillary wins to hold both houses of Congress to keep her in check hopefully better than they did with Obama. Well....we can only hope.
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