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    Machine Gunner KestrelBike's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Honey Badger282.8 View Post
    I agree, some of the wording is pretty vague.

    http://pmddtc.state.gov/compliance/A...0(Publish).pdf
    Well that's BP right there.

    The scary part is that it's all without any participation from Congress.

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    WHAT THE ACTUAL FUCK ????

    Where is the NRA on this????

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    Well, JugEars called it after not being able to get anything legislatively passed after Shady Hook.
    If he couldn't get it by legislation he would get it by regulation.


    The NRA is aware of it, not that they will do much about it.
    The most important thing to be learned from those who demand "Equality For All" is that all are not equal...

    Gun Control - seeking a Hardware solution for a Software problem...

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    So if you attach a magazine tube extension to a shotgun you'd have to register since you changed the firearms capacity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by clublights View Post
    WHAT THE ACTUAL FUCK ????

    Where is the NRA on this????
    Making deals which allow them to act like they did something when they really didn't, kinda like the Republican party.

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    ITAR effects more than just firearms manufacturers...
    I remember a company here in the Springs facing about a $1,000,000 fine over mishandling technical documents and improperly shipping a power cord to a US base in the pacific!

    Here is another example..
    http://www.exportlawblog.com/archives/7872

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    Here is a rather lengthy list of people/companies convicted for export violations:
    One example is copied and posted.

    http://pmddtc.state.gov/compliance/documents/OngoingExportCaseFactSheet.pdf


    Ammunition and Night Vision Goggles to Mexico

    On March 20, 2014, in the Western District
    of Texas, Oliver Bres-Carranza was sentenced to 51 months in federal prison after pleading
    guilty in October 2013 for his role in a scheme to smuggle defense articles into the Republic of
    Mexico. On January 15, 2014, Erik Alan Garza was sentenced to 44 months in federal prison and
    fined $3,000 for his role in the smuggling scheme. Garza, Bres-Carranza and Rolando Tamayo
    were charged in a June 2012 indictment with multiple counts of aiding and abetting the
    smuggling of goods from the United States. According to the indictment, between June 19, 2010
    and February 17, 2012, Garza and his accomplice, Tamayo, illegally attempted to smuggle defense articles into the Republic of Mexico from the United States.
    Those items included night
    vision monocular goggles, a thermal goggle, 400 sets of AR-15 front and rear flip-up tactical sights,
    approximately 5,000 high-
    capacity assault rifle magazines and approximately 6,000 rounds of ammunition, including 100 rounds of .50 caliber ammunition.
    Tamayo remains a
    fugitive.
    This case was investigated by ICE and ATF
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    Yeah, but the real fun comes when it comes to technical information.
    There was a scare several years ago that it would muzzle blogs and forums discussing firearms and ammunition.
    http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/nr...rticle/2565762

    It takes a lawyer to try to explain it. I work for a company that makes some items that can be classed by ITAR.
    Can't pass data to a foreign national, or a US citizen who works for a foreign national.
    Even if the info is on the web, you can't point them to it; that would be a ITAR violation.

    I have to take a mandatory two-hour refresher training module every year.
    Every scenario can cause a violation. The upshot is any foreign contact needs to be run past the company "export control experts".

    Even if an item is not ITAR, it still may be controlled under the Department of Commerce as "dual-use".
    The module likes to use the example of a valve. You can only export the valve in certain configurations.
    It the valve has a corrosive chemical-resistant coating, it might be controlled: it could be used to for chemical weapons or nuclear fuel processing, ...
    That technology is useful for the military: it is easy to decontaminate items painted with CARC.
    Sometimes, the reasoning of why an item is controlled seems very contorted.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Honey Badger282.8 View Post
    I agree, some of the wording is pretty vague.

    http://pmddtc.state.gov/compliance/A...0(Publish).pdf
    Does this apply to individuals as well? If I modify my own stuff, or build a rifle, is that now against ITAR?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jmg8550 View Post
    Does this apply to individuals as well? If I modify my own stuff, or build a rifle, is that now against ITAR?
    No. You don't posses a FFL. DADT has become the mantra of the honest citizen.
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