FBI Pistol Selection Results and Insider Info.

[MarkCO]

Polygonal rifling and lead bullets don't play nice all the time. But the polymer coated bullets don't appear to have issues in the polygonally rifled barrels.

If the 17M hits the USPSA Production approved list, I may have to try a Glock again.

[MarkCO]

what are you competing with now?

I dont currently own a glock. The funny thing is...it was a glock fanboi (Anthony from Greeley) who made me get rid of mine. I didnt know about poly rifling and lead bullets. Once he told me I ditched them. I couldnt see having to buy a new barrel to shoot lead. I am shooting coated lead bullets now.

I still have some G22s, but I use the M&P 9mmPro for competition now. I might shoot a few matches with the CZP09 once I get a holster for it.

[hollohas]

I think they wanted Glock from the start. They used Sig to force Glock to make changes they have wanted fir years.

Mike

^This. They wouldn't have handed it back to Glock so quickly otherwise. If they wanted Sig, they would have picked Sig, finger groove-less Glock or not.

[ray1970]

I'm genuinely curious... I've never really understood the rabid fanbase that Glock enjoys, and to be honest, it's one of the things that turns me off of them... I never was much for following the crowd.

It's not much different than the 1911 crowd.

[68Charger]

It's not much different than the 1911 crowd.

At least there are 1000s of variants on the 1911 platform... when I see discussions about how one model Glock looks, I think of the Matrix scene "you all look the same to me"

[Ronin13]

I never got the Glock fanboy thing either. I understand they're robust and reliable guns (for the most part), that 70% (estimated) of LE uses, but I prefer Sigs (see my title). Not sure why the FBI didn't go the same route the Secret Service did, who have used the Sig P229 for years. With how many government orgs use Sig (to include DHS, Air Marshals, Army CID, DSS, NCIS, SEALs, et al) it's somewhat surprising the Feebs went a different direction. Being an owner of both, I prefer Sig over Glock. The grips, trigger, and durability are mostly what sold me, and the fact that my P226 with 20-round magazines hasn't ever let me down through several qualifications, competition, and 1000's of rounds, I don't think I could ever go with another brand. That said, I don't hate Glock, but I have seen some pretty catastrophic failures from their guns- a coworker had his slide rails break and rendered the gun useless, he quickly switched to a P220.

[hollohas]

That seriously looks like $hit. Some of the modifications look like half assed after-thoughts.

The back grip insert/beavertail is not integrated at all. Looks like they simply took a standard frame, made some relief cuts, drilled a hole and wham, bam, they had interchangeable grip panels. Almost like they glued a poorly deisgned aftermarket panel to the grip.

And the aforementioned rounded front end not matching the profile of the front of the frame is just plain sloppy. Looks like the guy who engineered the slide didn't bother to communicate with the guy who was working on the frame. From some angles it looks more like a chamfer than a rounded edge.

Hopefully they refine it before production goes live.





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[Limited GM]

What a tease.

Well it sure didn't take long to get out.

in discussing the finish...it's suppose to be better than anything currently used. I was saddened when they quit using the early tennifer finish and always wondered why? I was told it was EPA related with the disposal of arsenic.

[ray1970]

With how many government orgs use Sig (to include DHS, Air Marshals, Army CID, DSS, NCIS, SEALs, et al) it's somewhat surprising the Feebs went a different direction.

You're seriously surprised a government entity went with the lowest bidder?

I honestly have no idea what the per unit cost is going to be on the Glock but I'd guess they are saving a metric butt load of money buying the Glock instead of the Sig.

[tmckay2]

Fan boys annoy me to no end, but I recently got a g19 with a few mods and must say that with finger grooves gone and a good stifling job it feels better and more balanced in my hand that any other pistol I've used. I always used to be a compact 1911 guy but the g19 is way lighter and more balanced in my opinion.

I think pistols more than any other weapon are very user preferred and really it's almost all opinion. Pretty much every platform has its ups and downs and it depends on hand size, body size, etc.