Standing Rock Protests

[CO Hugh]

Read any true account of the Indian wars not influenced by white guilt; they were depraved and barbaric before any Europeans ever showed up: Aztecs. There are several books regarding the wars since shortly after the mayflower arrived. Many of the accounts of their treatment of prisoners is horrific to read. the middle eastern types are clowns compared to the Indians.

Also the Russians love to use propaganda against the US. Query how many of their indigenous people did they kill: Ukrainians, "kurlaks" cassocks, and Russians.

[CS1983]

Russia has their own share of "native" crushing

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indige...les_of_Siberia

[jhood001]

Read any true account of the Indian wars not influenced by white guilt; they were depraved and barbaric before any Europeans ever showed up: Aztecs. There are several books regarding the wars since shortly after the mayflower arrived. Many of the accounts of their treatment of prisoners is horrific to read. the middle eastern types are clowns compared to the Indians.

Also the Russians love to use propaganda against the US. Query how many of their indigenous people did they kill: Ukrainians, "kurlaks" cassocks, and Russians.

I'm a bit curious here.

So the native americans were depraved and barbaric before Europeans ever showed up. Europeans weren't before they took the boat ride over? 1500-1800 was pretty incredible on the continent of Europe. I'm not seeing the relevance of that point unless you're using it to justify what european expansion into the americas did to native americans.

And so what if they were brutal and savage? I could have a neighbor that beats his wife, kicks his dog and slaps his kid around and I don't think moving in with him is going to fix that. I'm either going to end him, turn around and head home, or he is going to end me.

And don't get me wrong - I don't have any qualms over what happened on this continent 2-300 years ago. I'm just curious as to how this 'Standing Rock protests' thread got turned into a discussion about whether or not migrant europeans slaughtered a bunch of native americans. Fairly or unfairly... Unless it is a passive way of saying 'fuck 'em' in regards to what is currently going on.

Enlighten me!

And I'll see your picture of a book cover and raise you one... I just scored Empire of the Summer Moon on Audible. Looking forward to it!



GREAT book.

[davsel]

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-0...-censors-video

It didn’t take long after the National Guard was activated in North Dakota for militarized law enforcement to descend upon the site of the Dakota Access Pipeline. Today, mass arrests began as riot gear-clad police attempted to break up Native American opposition to the construction of the pipeline, which has been halted at one location but continues elsewhere.

According to independent news outlet Unicorn Riot, at least 20 protesters, or “water protectors,” have been arrested at gunpoint along with medics and two journalists. Police issued a one-time warning to “water protectors” that any trespassers would be arrested. The warning came after several people locked themselves to construction equipment in acts of civil disobedience on Tuesday.

[UPDATE: A Unicorn Riot collective member confirmed to Anti-Media via email that Facebook was blocking the video link with its “automated censorship system.”

“At a critical moment of our coverage of a Dakota Access Pipeline direct action today, Facebook’s automated censorship system blocked our video URL, shortly before two of our journalists were arrested onsite. As we started to cover today’s direct action, our collective members immediately noticed that the full Livestream event URL (https://livestream.com/unicornriot/events/6340986) was being blocked from Facebook. Posts and comments with the URL both immediately triggered popup security alerts. We tried putting the same URL through Bitly shortening and that official Unicorn Riot page post was deleted by Facebook within a few minutes. Finally we went with sharing our ‘Live Channel’ URL on our own website which had the embed included on it.

“We also verified that the ‘Facebook Debugger’ warned that our live video URL violated ‘community standards.’ Both Facebook and law enforcement acted to block our media distribution today, but we will not let them stop our mission to amplify the voices of people who might otherwise go unheard, and broadcast the stories that might otherwise go untold.

“Also, as one member of the collective, I should point out it is obviously concerning when a large media conglomerate blocks URLs to competing video platforms.”]

[Zundfolge]

I don't buy it. Smells like "Watermelons" using native Americans as pawns in their anti-capitalist, anti-industrialization, anti-western BS games.

I've been reading that no sacred lands are anywhere near touched by this and no water supplies are in danger that this is all bovine scat.


Based on how the media treats these kinds of issues I suspect we're being lied to.

[Great-Kazoo]

Waiting to see if a friend of ours made it there. Supposedly their friend Jennifer is going to try a broadcast from Standing Rock on a left of center (aren't they all) "Public" radio station
http://www.kvmr.org/


One can interpret this protest any way they want. If one supported the bundy movement in NV they cannot ignore this issue. Grazing on BLM land or wanting to stop intrusion on other lands. IMO There's a lot more going on than wanting to stop the pipeline.

[BushMasterBoy]

I was educated by George Lyle Parker. Great grandson of Quanah Parker. He had degrees in physics and chemistry. We used to have great discussions on semiconductor theory. The US Air Force provided funding for a complete electronics laboratory. The latest oscilloscopes, digital multimeters, etc. The place is now a "space control intelligence" facility.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RAF_Feltwell

[jhood001]

I've been reading that no sacred lands are anywhere near touched by this

They aren't from what I can tell.

and no water supplies are in danger that this is all bovine scat.

Anything downstream of any pipeline having an accident is 'in danger'. The Missouri is a heavily channeled river and how much it waters surrounding lands could be debated. But an accident that poisoned it would be pretty catastrophic for 600-ish miles downstream.

I think this is more about people caring about something than tinfoil.

I spent a lot of time growing up on the Missouri just downstream from this proposed pipeline. Camping on the river bank - often times on res land. I fished the river in the summer and hunted the surrounding lands in fall and winter months.

I was a guest there on either private farm or res land. As such; I didn't and don't have any ownership there. But I can appreciate concerns by those that do.

[Justin]

Guns, Germs, and Steel, along with most of Jared Diamond's output is highly over rated.

Take a look at the criticism of his tale about Easter Island for a good look into how he basically peddles facil bs.

[SouthPaw]

They will believe anything you tell them:

http://www.9news.com/news/hoax-pipel...1969/319299482