Standing Rock Protests

[WETWRKS]

Take a piece of paper and write your ancestry on it. Have someone take it from you and tear off a piece. Again, tear off a piece. Now tear another. And another. Now let someone take your last few scraps and decide they want to do something with it you don't want them to.

And when you are done with this exercise, and looking at your little piece of paper, your patrimony on the floor, having protested for generations, you might see why something so small would be such a big deal to them.

I understand that...my point was...why protest a pipeline if you are upset about the loss of land. Protest the loss of land.

Also why protest against a corporation who didn't take your land and cannot give it back instead of protesting against the government who did and could?

[Zundfolge]

I understand that...my point was...why protest a pipeline if you are upset about the loss of land. Protest the loss of land.

Also why protest against a corporation who didn't take your land and cannot give it back instead of protesting against the government who did and could?

Because just like the Black Lives Matter movement is not run by blacks or for the preservation of black lives, the movement against the pipeline is run by Marxists ... by Soros ... by people that are using the grievances of powerless people to stealthily implement their own plans.

This is about attacking energy production to keep America weaker. Nothing more.

[SamuraiCO]

Because just like the Black Lives Matter movement is not run by blacks or for the preservation of black lives, the movement against the pipeline is run by Marxists ... by Soros ... by people that are using the grievances of powerless people to stealthily implement their own plans.

This is about attacking energy production to keep America weaker. Nothing more.

Winner!!!!!

[CS1983]

I understand that...my point was...why protest a pipeline if you are upset about the loss of land. Protest the loss of land.
Also why protest against a corporation who didn't take your land and cannot give it back instead of protesting against the government who did and could?

The loss of the land contra the 1851 treaty *is* part of their impetus to protest it.
Personally, I think they should have taken the 50 million offered to them (though it doesn't equate to much per person given their population of 8250ish)
That said, it could be and likely is a combination of things: a legitimate grievance regarding land being systematically stolen; useful idiots being played by nefarious outsiders; etc.
I saw this sort of thing when I joined Iraq Veterans Against the War. I personally joined because I was against the needlessness of Iraq and the retarded way it was prosecuted after having seen it with my own eyes. What I found instead was a perfect vector for outside Marxist groups to capitalize on what was an otherwise legitimate grievance and vector for said grievance. Thus, I quit IVAW.

I would assume it's similar. But while the outside influence is repugnant and doesn't help, it doesn't discount a continual source of anger for that tribe and multiple others.

[davsel]

And now for the rest of the story...

http://www.grandforksherald.com/opin...nt-telling-you

...
The activists tell an emotionally charged tale of greed, racism and misbehavior by corporate and government officials. But the real story of the Dakota Access Pipeline was revealed in court documents in September, and it is nothing like the activists' tale. In fact, it is the complete opposite.


The record shows that Energy Transfer Partners, the company building the pipeline, spent years working diligently with federal, state and local officials to route the pipeline safely and with the fewest possible disruptions. The contrast between the protesters' claims and the facts on record is stunning.


Protesters claim that the pipeline was "fast-tracked," denying tribal leaders the opportunity to participate in the process. In fact, project leaders participated in 559 meetings with community leaders, local officials and organizations to listen to concerns and fine-tune the route. The company asked for, and received, a tougher federal permitting process at sites along the Missouri River.


This more difficult procedure included a mandated review of each water crossing's potential effect on historical artifacts and locations.


Protesters claim that the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers failed to consult tribal leaders as required by federal law. The record shows that the corps held 389 meetings with 55 tribes. Corps officials met many times with leaders of the Standing Rock Sioux tribe, which initiated the lawsuit and the protests.


Protesters claim that the Standing Rock Sioux pursued meetings with an unresponsive Army Corps of Engineers. Court records show that the roles in that story were in fact reversed. The corps alerted the tribe to the pipeline permit application in the fall of 2014 and repeatedly requested comments from and meetings with tribal leaders, only to be rebuffed over and over. Tribal leaders ignored requests for comment and canceled meetings multiple times.
...

[Joe_K]

Regardless of the why or the who, using water cannons in the winter on unarmed people is ridiculous. When Ammon Bundy took over the wildlife refuge we had a bunch of sympathetic folks on this forum for them, even though it is arguable that the Bundys had less standing in that case.



Velocitas, Opprimere,
Violentia Operandi

[Great-Kazoo]

Regardless of the why or the who, using water cannons in the winter on unarmed people is ridiculous. When Ammon Bundy took over the wildlife refuge we had a bunch of sympathetic folks on this forum for them, even though it is arguable that the Bundys had less standing in that case.



Velocitas, Opprimere,



Violentia Operandi

Concussion grenade also put woman in hospital with potential of losing arm. Again we either support all protest against .gov intrusion, or we don't. There is a greater qty of .gov LE and contractors going against the "protestors" .
Like M.L said the outrage over the Bundy issue was somewhat rampant here.

[davsel]

Concussion grenade also put woman in hospital with potential of losing arm. Again we either support all protest against .gov intrusion, or we don't. There is a greater qty of .gov LE and contractors going against the "protestors" .
Like M.L said the outrage over the Bundy issue was somewhat rampant here.

http://bearingarms.com/bob-o/2016/11...phia-wilansky/

Law enforcement say they are investigating the use of homemade explosives at a Dakota Access Pipeline (DAPL) protest. They have recovered weapons and are investigating whether or not they are related to injuries a female protester suffered.

Law enforcement say around 3:00 a.m. November 21, protester activity had de-escalated near the Backwater Bridge, but they noticed two males and a female using a barricade to hide their activity.

Officials say they gave repeated orders for the three people to come out from behind the barricade and they attempted to force them out with “less than lethal” bean bags and sponge rounds. It was then the officers noticed the protesters approach and roll multiple metallic cylinder objects.

“The subjects were given opportunities to retreat back, but it became obvious that they were tampering with the vehicle or planting a device,” said Highway Patrol Lieutenant Tom Iverson. “Their strange mannerisms led law enforcement to believe they were there for a purpose with a calculated effort to either cause harm or breach the line.”

Lt. Iverson says after the cylinders were rolled, law enforcement witnessed an explosion. Several protesters ran to the area, pulled a female from under the vehicle, and fled the scene.

Law Enforcement received information that protesters were using one-pound propane cylinders as explosives and the North Dakota Bureau of Criminal Investigation with support from Federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms recovered three of these propane canisters from the site of the explosion.

Investigators also collected rocks and glass jars consistent with the design of Molotov cocktails that were used as weapons against law enforcement.

Hmm

[davsel]

Regardless of the why or the who, using water cannons in the winter on unarmed people is ridiculous. When Ammon Bundy took over the wildlife refuge we had a bunch of sympathetic folks on this forum for them, even though it is arguable that the Bundys had less standing in that case.

Appears water hoses were used to put out fires started by protesters as well as dousing those who got too close to the line. The vast majority of protesters remained dry.

I'm not taking a side, just pointing out that there are two sides to every "news story."

Protester drone footage:

[Great-Kazoo]

http://bearingarms.com/bob-o/2016/11...phia-wilansky/



Hmm

http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-w...rm-family-says

Police and protesters — who call themselves water protectors — have very different explanations for how Sophia Wilansky was injured early Monday morning. Protesters say she was struck by a police weapon; police suggest she might have been involved in an explosion caused by protesters.

"Both sides agree that the overnight protest got tense, but that's where any agreement ends