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    Quote Originally Posted by davsel View Post
    Appears water hoses were used to put out fires started by protesters as well as dousing those who got too close to the line. The vast majority of protesters remained dry.

    I'm not taking a side, just pointing out that there are two sides to every "news story."

    Protester drone footage:




















































    And here's another view.

    http://www.snopes.com/2016/11/22/sta...ice-use-force/

    This one shows the other side of the fire, where there's nothing but protesters 1.04mark. Then pans to the other side where "fires" were.




    Personally the whole deal is fukied. It seems the people showing up now are more interested in a T-Shirt, than what the original protest was about. Once again co-opted by outside forces.
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    Here's a recent memo published by the President of the National Sheriff's Association, Greg Champagne.

    https://www.facebook.com/sheriff.gre...42?pnref=story
    I was extremely privileged in the last several days to have the opportunity to travel to North Dakota as President of the National Sheriffs' Association to see firsthand the protest and the response thereto to the Dakota Access Pipeline Project near the Standing Rock Sioux Reservation about 25 miles south of Bismarck.


    I learned first that the pipeline project, which has been in the works for several years, will traverse four states including North Dakota, South Dakota, Iowa and Illinois carrying crude oil. I was surprised to learn that a natural gas pipeline is already underground on the same right of way. The DAP has received all federal approvals over several years and, litigation which attempted to stop it in the federal courts has been resolved. Despite this project being very "federal" in nature and clearly in interstate commerce, the Obama administration has refused to provide any law enforcement or other support to North Dakota state and local law enforcement that has placed them in the position of having to enforce the rule of law. As usual, law enforcement is put between the rock and hard place due to various political agendas.


    Based upon sensational news reports, I had the wrong impression that this pipeline was to run directly through the Standing Rock Reservation and would disturb ancient burial grounds of the Sioux Tribes. The argument has evolved now that this pipeline will jeopardize the water supply of the Missouri River (despite the fact that the pipeline will pass under other rivers including the Mississippi throughout its entire route). Also, the Cannonball River which runs throughout the Standing Rock Reservation is actually “upstream” from the pipeline crossing. This false narrative has understandably generated a great deal of sympathy and support from many quarters for the Standing Rock Sioux People. I quickly learned and saw for myself that this was untrue. The pipeline passes about two miles north of the reservation and that years of archeological study uncovered no significant native historical sites. It is difficult to believe that a single modern pipeline would be more environmentally risky than transporting crude oil by rail or truck through the same territory.


    The Dakota Access Pipeline is 95% complete and the construction work near Standing Rock is the last phase which will tie the pipeline together. It is a 3.7 Billion Dollar Project.


    This past Thursday, October 27th, steps were taken the morning before I arrived which evicted protestors from private property directly in the path of the pipeline. This "northern" camp was erected just days before and the occupants had been warned repeatedly for several days that their presence there was unlawful and that eviction was imminent. These warnings went unheeded. Despite the statements coming from the media and protesters that they were completely peaceful and prayerful, it has been a fact that more militant protestors (terrorists) have destroyed property and physically beaten employees of the company in recent weeks. I personally witnessed and photographed what I estimate to be at least a half of a million dollars in damage to bulldozers and excavators. I further learned that many protestors other than Native American groups have descended upon the area such as anarchists and eco-terrorists who are hell bent on committing violence and damage. The police presence in the area to protect farmers, ranchers and other private property interests have been costing the state of North Dakota millions of dollars.


    The Sheriffs of several states have contributed manpower over the last several weeks to help preserve order and protect property. On October 27th, law enforcement evicted the trespassers form the north camp on private property about three miles north of the Cannonball River. While pleading with the trespassers for a peaceful move, law enforcement officers were met with Molotov cocktails and various missiles such as rocks and logs being thrown at them causing numerous injuries to the officers. The only discharge of a firearm occurred when a protestor fired at the line of officers. Miraculously, none were hit by the bullets. When the protestors were moved south of the bridge, two trucks used to blockade the roadway were set on fire by the protestors. This action now has very possibly jeopardized the integrity of that bridge. News accounts ironically then decried the use of defensive equipment such as “riot gear” and armored vehicles by law enforcement.


    Many media sites reported only that "heavy handed" police tactics were used upon the protestors who were only praying and "peacefully" protesting. These same outlets failed to mention the shooting, Molotov cocktails, and extensive property and equipment damage produced by some of the protestors. The protestors even cut fences and attempted to induce a domesticated buffalo herd to stampede through the area. The owners of the herd, whom I spoke with personally indicated that at least of dozen of their buffalo were killed by protestors.


    The next morning, I was present as law enforcement leaders including Sheriff Paul Laney met with leaders of the tribe. The tribal representatives lamented the violent and destructive behavior of "outsiders" who had come in only to commit violence. They indicated that they would encourage these violent agitators to leave the camp and protest.


    While the entire situation seemed to be de-escalating upon my departure on Sunday October 30th, it remains to be seen if the violence and illegal acts are truly over. I must commend the professionalism and patience of law enforcement officers under the leadership of sheriffs such as Cass County Sheriff and National Sheriffs' Association Board member Paul Laney, Morton County Sheriff Kyle Kirchmeier, and Burleigh County Sheriff Paul Heinert. The North Dakota State Police as well as several area Police Departments also played essential roles. The operation evicting trespassers, some of which became violent was carried out with professionalism and restraint despite liberal press stories to the contrary. I must also commend the numerous sheriffs’ office throughout the multi-state area including NSA Executive Committee Member Rich Stanek of Hennepin County, Minnesota who sent personnel to assist with protecting lives and property.


    I certainly feel empathy for the Native American peoples of America and especially the Sioux due to the treatment they received at the hands of the U.S. Government in the latter part of the 19th Century. These Native American Cultures are and should be a proud people for whom we should all have concern. However, the law and facts simply do not weigh in their favor in this case from everything I seen. This project went through an extensive approval process over many years and court challenges in Federal Court have failed to be successful. We are a nation of laws. Emotion and empathy cannot carry the day. It just seems that opposition to this pipeline is not reasonably based upon legitimate environmental concerns. Energy independence has been one of the major goals of this country for decades. In my home state of Louisiana, we are surrounded by gas and oil pipelines and safely so. In another ironic twist, it is widely known that the Standing Rock Tribal Chairman owns a convenience store and gasoline station on the reservation.


    It's time for everyone to move on in reference to The Dakota Access Pipeline and stop putting further strain on the citizens and law enforcement officers of North Dakota and surrounding states.


    Greg Champagne, President
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    I highly recommend the facebook link above. It contains pictures of some of the damage done by protesters, as well as some questions which Greg answers himself. Here's an example:
    [Facebook commenter:] Thanks Greg...I do side with the Sioux on this, but are you saying the protestors were on private property and not on reservation land?
    [Greg Champagne]Thanks for the question, [name omitted]. Up until about a week or so ago, the 3 original protest camps were in the basin of the Cannonball River which is actually U.S. Army Corps of Engineers Property on the northern edge of the reservation. No effort nor threat to remove them from that property was ever made. About a week ago, a smaller group of more radical protestors set up a camp in the direct path of the pipeline construction which was 3 miles north of the Standing Rock Reservation boundary. The obvious purpose of the new camp referred to as the North Camp was to get in the path of the pipeline construction which was closing on that spot. It is indeed private property and, as I indicated about 3 miles from the reservation. This is the location and only location which the police removed protestors from. Those who refused to move were arrested last Thursday and the rest were pushed back onto the original camp sites on Corps Property. The largest of those camps on Corps property is pictured behind me. My purpose in going was to support the sheriffs and their deputies who had to enforce the rule of law.
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    Army put the pipeline on hold.
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    Corps of Engineers gave their approval and then suddenly took back that approval. Seems to me there was a term for that type of giving when I was a kid. I'm sure it will come back to me at some point.

    Why would anyone choose to invest over a billion dollars into any project with this type of government BS?

    If I were the tribal leaders I think I would have asked the question this way: If this pipeline is so safe then why did the Corps of Engineers and the State of ND choose to reroute it south of Bismark rather than the way it was initially proposed to go north of Bismark when it crossed the Missouri River?

    Of course any agreement that any state or federal government agency makes with native peoples is worthless. They probably should have bargained for a percentage of the oil revenues flowing through the pipeline and a binding agreement that the cost of any spill will be paid by the pipeline owner and to the satisfaction of the tribal government.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cstone View Post
    Corps of Engineers gave their approval and then suddenly took back that approval. Seems to me there was a term for that type of giving when I was a kid. I'm sure it will come back to me at some point. Even on the rez we still call someone an Indian Giver. Now saying Cowboy Up gets some irate

    Why would anyone choose to invest over a billion dollars into any project with this type of government BS?

    If I were the tribal leaders I think I would have asked the question this way: If this pipeline is so safe then why did the Corps of Engineers and the State of ND choose to reroute it south of Bismark rather than the way it was initially proposed to go north of Bismark when it crossed the Missouri River?

    Of course any agreement that any state or federal government agency makes with native peoples is worthless. They probably should have bargained for a percentage of the oil revenues flowing through the pipeline and a binding agreement that the cost of any spill will be paid by the pipeline owner and to the satisfaction of the tribal government.

    Simple lesson but never seems to be learned for long: Don't trust the government.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnnyDrama View Post
    I think that's part of what happened. Everybody was focused on Keystone while this project was quietly being laid out, surveyed, and working it's way through the permitting process. By the time anybody got wind of Dakota Access, everybody who needed to sign off on it had done so.
    ???

    You can't just quietly produce an environmental assessment or impact study. There are requirements for public announcements, meetings, and comment period.


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    Quote Originally Posted by erock View Post
    ???

    You can't just quietly produce an environmental assessment or impact study. There are requirements for public announcements, meetings, and comment period.


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    There sir, you are absolutely right. DAPL was in all the newspapers, on the local news, written about in trade periodicals, and the talk of many North Dakota property owners the summer of 2015. You just had to be in North Dakota to see/hear it.

    They probably should have bargained for a percentage of the oil revenues flowing through the pipeline and a binding agreement that the cost of any spill will be paid by the pipeline owner and to the satisfaction of the tribal government.
    Who says there wasn't, and the oil company just rerouted the pipeline?

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