9/11 aftermath

[milwaukeeshaker]

So, 15 yrs later where are we in terms of the current undeclared "police action" war? What has been accomplished other than the wounding, maiming, and killing of our great young men of the military? Are we any safer? 15yrs! Even WW2, a real world war fought on two fronts only lasted 4 yrs. How long can they continue this giant money making scam until the American people demand an end? WTF Anyone read 1984? What a giant SNAFU.

[Bailey Guns]

The fight against "terror" is not comparable in any way to the fight against the Axis powers in WWII. Other than people are dying. I hardly think it's a "money making" scam, either...not for the government or the people, anyway. There may be some companies or individuals profiting from it. Aside from that it's costing a fortune. And, in the way it's being fought, I'd say it's reaping little in return in terms of greater safety for our citizens. It's hard to quantify but I doubt we're any safer as a whole. Of course, the vast majority of people faced little risk of becoming a terror victim before 9/11 and the vast majority still face little risk of it.

Our system makes it hard to fight a "war" like this one because the decision makers in government are constantly changing and there's no agreement from one administration to the next on how to proceed. I'd argue we've lost any progress that might've been made initially in the last 8 years over changes in policy. But, fear is a great motivator. As long as the government can keep us afraid, the money will be there...whether it is or isn't. If we continue with the current strategy it's gonna cost us in personal liberties...more than it already has.

[davsel]

On 9/12, we should have nuked Medina, Mecca, Tehran, Baghdad, and Riyadh.
Over in a day. Problem solved for the next century.

Instead, we elected a Musloid as CIC. Twice.
We get what we deserve.

[roberth]

We are no safer than we were on 9/10/2001, in fact we are less safe due to the importation of enemy combatants and the open southern border.

The Bush and Obama administrations have overseen the senseless murder of our valuable young men helping the country, Saudi Arabia, that initiated the 9/11/2001 attacks. The reason Bush the Younger greets in-bound troops isn't out of love or caring, he greets them because of guilt. Guilt over starting a war that had no end game, guilt over a war to "bring democracy to the Middle East" when the Middle East wants nothing to do with democracy, save Israel. Obama has continued this murder at the behest of the Sauds, getting the ambassador and good men murdered in Libya, supporting the MB in Egypt, destabilizing Syria, isolating Israel. Obama has allowed all the difficult work containing jihadists in Iraq and Afghanistan from 2001-2008 go to waste by standing by while ISIS established itself on territory bled on by US troops using US military equipment left behind and intact by cowardly Iraqi troops.

The arrogance in assuming that Muslims would embrace democracy is hubris at its finest. Islam has never and will never operate that way and too think such is folly in its purest form.

The ME needs strong men like Assad and Saddam to keep the baby-raping goat fuckers in check, no matter how bad Saddam was, he was enormously better than ISIS.

[MED]

The war against Islamic terror started long before the last fifteen years. It's been going on my entire life, 45 years. Modern Islamic terror started shortly after WWII; and morphed into the attack on innocents soon after they were defeated in numerous battles and wars. They do this because they can't compete in a military conflict, and to break down the resolve of their enemies. It is a war of ongoing attrition, and stupidly the Untied States and its allies try to make peace with these people through appeasement, which never works. Maybe all the decisions surrounding Iraq and Afghanistan weren't the best, but at least this country actually did something about it. The only unforgivable mistake is giving up, or not standing up to these people, or giving in to the demands of those who want to kill you, or in Israel's case erase them from existence. The world of Islam will keep attacking until we finally give up, and then God help us when that happens.

[milwaukeeshaker]

You are right about the money making. I was referring to the military industrial complex, ie the Halliburtons of this "war on terror". They are the ones reaping the rewards. We on the other hand are losing a lot of a generation of young Americans, with nothing to show for it.

The fight against "terror" is not comparable in any way to the fight against the Axis powers in WWII. Other than people are dying. I hardly think it's a "money making" scam, either...not for the government or the people, anyway. There may be some companies or individuals profiting from it. Aside from that it's costing a fortune. And, in the way it's being fought, I'd say it's reaping little in return in terms of greater safety for our citizens. It's hard to quantify but I doubt we're any safer as a whole. Of course, the vast majority of people faced little risk of becoming a terror victim before 9/11 and the vast majority still face little risk of it.

Our system makes it hard to fight a "war" like this one because the decision makers in government are constantly changing and there's no agreement from one administration to the next on how to proceed. I'd argue we've lost any progress that might've been made initially in the last 8 years over changes in policy. But, fear is a great motivator. As long as the government can keep us afraid, the money will be there...whether it is or isn't. If we continue with the current strategy it's gonna cost us in personal liberties...more than it already has.

[milwaukeeshaker]

It would end if we would take a REAL war to these muslim scumbags.

The war against Islamic terror started long before the last fifteen years. It's been going on my entire life, 45 years. Modern Islamic terror started shortly after WWII; and morphed into the attack on innocents soon after they were defeated in numerous battles and wars, because they can't compete in a military conflict. They do this to break down the resolve of their enemies. It is a war of ongoing attrition, and stupidly the Untied States and its allies try to make peace with these people through appeasement, which never works. Maybe all the decisions surrounding Iraq and Afghanistan weren't the best, but at least this country actually did something about it. The only unforgivable mistake is giving up, or not standing up to these people, or giving in to the demands of those who want to kill you, or in Israel's case erase them from existence. The world of Islam will keep attacking until we finally give up, and then God help us when that happens.

[roberth]

You are right about the money making. I was referring to the military industrial complex, ie the Halliburtons of this "war on terror". They are the ones reaping the rewards. We on the other hand are losing a lot of a generation of young Americans, with nothing to show for it.

Halliburton is small potatoes.

The real rewards are in the daily weakening of American resolve. Look at the millennials today, do you think they'll stand up to the coming tyranny if HRC wins and beyond? No way, this is exactly what the (D) end game is, to make America the same as all the other countries on the planet, a country of slaves for the elites to manipulate and throw away.

[MED]

Halliburton is small potatoes.

The real rewards are in the daily weakening of American resolve. Look at the millennials today, do you think they'll stand up to the coming tyranny if HRC wins and beyond? No way, this is exactly what the (D) end game is, to make America the same as all the other countries on the planet, a country of slaves for the elites to manipulate and throw away.

Unfortunately, this is where we are at; modern America is a sad shell of what it once was. I think this is why my dad is developing alzheimer's so late in his life, so he doesn't have to watch it.

[CS1983]

Oh Maggie, Maggie what have we done...