9/11 aftermath

[milwaukeeshaker]

So, 15 yrs later where are we in terms of the current undeclared "police action" war? What has been accomplished other than the wounding, maiming, and killing of our great young men of the military? Are we any safer? 15yrs! Even WW2, a real world war fought on two fronts only lasted 4 yrs. How long can they continue this giant money making scam until the American people demand an end? WTF Anyone read 1984? What a giant SNAFU.

[Bailey Guns]

The fight against "terror" is not comparable in any way to the fight against the Axis powers in WWII. Other than people are dying. I hardly think it's a "money making" scam, either...not for the government or the people, anyway. There may be some companies or individuals profiting from it. Aside from that it's costing a fortune. And, in the way it's being fought, I'd say it's reaping little in return in terms of greater safety for our citizens. It's hard to quantify but I doubt we're any safer as a whole. Of course, the vast majority of people faced little risk of becoming a terror victim before 9/11 and the vast majority still face little risk of it.

Our system makes it hard to fight a "war" like this one because the decision makers in government are constantly changing and there's no agreement from one administration to the next on how to proceed. I'd argue we've lost any progress that might've been made initially in the last 8 years over changes in policy. But, fear is a great motivator. As long as the government can keep us afraid, the money will be there...whether it is or isn't. If we continue with the current strategy it's gonna cost us in personal liberties...more than it already has.

[milwaukeeshaker]

You are right about the money making. I was referring to the military industrial complex, ie the Halliburtons of this "war on terror". They are the ones reaping the rewards. We on the other hand are losing a lot of a generation of young Americans, with nothing to show for it.

The fight against "terror" is not comparable in any way to the fight against the Axis powers in WWII. Other than people are dying. I hardly think it's a "money making" scam, either...not for the government or the people, anyway. There may be some companies or individuals profiting from it. Aside from that it's costing a fortune. And, in the way it's being fought, I'd say it's reaping little in return in terms of greater safety for our citizens. It's hard to quantify but I doubt we're any safer as a whole. Of course, the vast majority of people faced little risk of becoming a terror victim before 9/11 and the vast majority still face little risk of it.

Our system makes it hard to fight a "war" like this one because the decision makers in government are constantly changing and there's no agreement from one administration to the next on how to proceed. I'd argue we've lost any progress that might've been made initially in the last 8 years over changes in policy. But, fear is a great motivator. As long as the government can keep us afraid, the money will be there...whether it is or isn't. If we continue with the current strategy it's gonna cost us in personal liberties...more than it already has.

[roberth]

You are right about the money making. I was referring to the military industrial complex, ie the Halliburtons of this "war on terror". They are the ones reaping the rewards. We on the other hand are losing a lot of a generation of young Americans, with nothing to show for it.

Halliburton is small potatoes.

The real rewards are in the daily weakening of American resolve. Look at the millennials today, do you think they'll stand up to the coming tyranny if HRC wins and beyond? No way, this is exactly what the (D) end game is, to make America the same as all the other countries on the planet, a country of slaves for the elites to manipulate and throw away.

[MED]

Halliburton is small potatoes.

The real rewards are in the daily weakening of American resolve. Look at the millennials today, do you think they'll stand up to the coming tyranny if HRC wins and beyond? No way, this is exactly what the (D) end game is, to make America the same as all the other countries on the planet, a country of slaves for the elites to manipulate and throw away.

Unfortunately, this is where we are at; modern America is a sad shell of what it once was. I think this is why my dad is developing alzheimer's so late in his life, so he doesn't have to watch it.

[davsel]

On 9/12, we should have nuked Medina, Mecca, Tehran, Baghdad, and Riyadh.
Over in a day. Problem solved for the next century.

Instead, we elected a Musloid as CIC. Twice.
We get what we deserve.

[MED]

The war against Islamic terror started long before the last fifteen years. It's been going on my entire life, 45 years. Modern Islamic terror started shortly after WWII; and morphed into the attack on innocents soon after they were defeated in numerous battles and wars. They do this because they can't compete in a military conflict, and to break down the resolve of their enemies. It is a war of ongoing attrition, and stupidly the Untied States and its allies try to make peace with these people through appeasement, which never works. Maybe all the decisions surrounding Iraq and Afghanistan weren't the best, but at least this country actually did something about it. The only unforgivable mistake is giving up, or not standing up to these people, or giving in to the demands of those who want to kill you, or in Israel's case erase them from existence. The world of Islam will keep attacking until we finally give up, and then God help us when that happens.

[milwaukeeshaker]

It would end if we would take a REAL war to these muslim scumbags.

The war against Islamic terror started long before the last fifteen years. It's been going on my entire life, 45 years. Modern Islamic terror started shortly after WWII; and morphed into the attack on innocents soon after they were defeated in numerous battles and wars, because they can't compete in a military conflict. They do this to break down the resolve of their enemies. It is a war of ongoing attrition, and stupidly the Untied States and its allies try to make peace with these people through appeasement, which never works. Maybe all the decisions surrounding Iraq and Afghanistan weren't the best, but at least this country actually did something about it. The only unforgivable mistake is giving up, or not standing up to these people, or giving in to the demands of those who want to kill you, or in Israel's case erase them from existence. The world of Islam will keep attacking until we finally give up, and then God help us when that happens.

[roberth]

On 9/12, we should have nuked Medina, Mecca, Tehran, Baghdad, and Riyadh.
Over in a day. Problem solved for the next century.

Instead, we elected a Musloid as CIC. Twice.
We get what we deserve.

It isn't too late.

Islam is not a religion, Islam is a competing form of government with a religious component.

In 1776 a group of men wanted their own government so they started a war against the competing government which was also the most powerful military of that time. These men won and the result was the greatest country the world has ever known. The United States of America. We can do it again, only there are two governments to defeat this time, communism and Islam.

Communism can be defeated by education and votes but first we must expose the lies and vote the bastards out.

Islam can only be defeated by force and if you think HRC and her bed-wetting millennials are up to that task then you are too stupid for words.

[Gman]

It isn't too late.

Islam is not a religion, Islam is a competing form of government with a religious component.

In 1776 a group of men wanted their own government so they started a war against the competing government which was also the most powerful military of that time. These men won and the result was the greatest country the world has ever known. The United States of America. We can do it again, only there are two governments to defeat this time, communism and Islam.

^This.