80% lower Question

[Grant H.]

https://www.atf.gov/firearms/qa/does...cquisition-and

Nope. Overnight, it goes in the bound books and they have to have an FFL. So, the COMPLETED lower must have the relevant information engraved on the lower to be entered. No info, it can't be kept. The owner has to stay with it. 80% shit boxes didn't exist before the requirement for serial numbers. They don't get a free pass as pre-68 guns do.

You are absolutely giving out the wrong information and you need to stop before some unfortunate person believes you. You don't have to believe me. Call the ATF: Industry Operations (303) 575-7640.

So, apparently changing the finish is a manufacturing process, but only if it's not camouflaging... F'in bureaucrats...

Even the ATF agent I talked to said that didn't make any sense, but the rules state that Anodizing, Cerakoting, and bluing are manufacturing processes.

Shoot more, post less.

Says the guy that has 8x the posts in fewer member years... Well played...

Good grief dude, get off the shooting thing. You don't know me from adam, and you have no idea how much I shoot or not.

[colorider]

Did you hear that knock on your door?

He didn't make one for me. I met him at a shooting event and he mentioned to a group of us that he and some friends each got a lower and they completed them at a shop that had a cnc machine. They did 16 of them there. As far as I have read, that is a big no no.

[Great-Kazoo]

He didn't make one for me. I met him at a shooting event and he mentioned to a group of us that he and some friends each got a lower and they completed them at a shop that had a cnc machine. They did 16 of them there. As far as I have read, that is a big no no.

AND the less one talks about it. The less everyone Knows.

[OneGuy67]

He didn't make one for me. I met him at a shooting event and he mentioned to a group of us that he and some friends each got a lower and they completed them at a shop that had a cnc machine. They did 16 of them there. As far as I have read, that is a big no no.

There was a company in Brighton called High Plains CNC that had events in which you could purchase lowers and then purchase time on their CNC machine to complete the lower. They had an employee stand next to the machine and talk you through the process, but not touch the machine in any way. They believed they were within the law, but apparently ATF didn't see it that way and shut them down.

[Great-Kazoo]

There was a company in Brighton called High Plains CNC that had events in which you could purchase lowers and then purchase time on their CNC machine to complete the lower. They had an employee stand next to the machine and talk you through the process, but not touch the machine in any way. They believed they were within the law, but apparently ATF didn't see it that way and shut them down.

In part due to them charging for use of machine AND plastering the events all over social media

[68Charger]

In part due to them charging for use of machine AND plastering the events all over social media

True, but they were supplying the G-code to do the machining.. which ATF determined was the same as doing it.
Maybe somebody should send a few thousand letters asking for clarification?

[Great-Kazoo]

True, but they were supplying the G-code to do the machining.. which ATF determined was the same as doing it.
Maybe somebody should send a few thousand letters asking for clarification?

Any newer members not familiar with the "sarcasm" of the forum

[spqrzilla]

Any newer members not familiar with the "sarcasm" of the forum

Who is this "sarcasm" you mention, and does he shoot enough?

[Circuits]

So, the COMPLETED lower must have the relevant information engraved on the lower to be entered. No info, it can't be kept. The owner has to stay with it. 80% shit boxes didn't exist before the requirement for serial numbers. They don't get a free pass as pre-68 guns do.

Of course they do - you simply enter "NSN" for the serial number, as you would for any other legal firearm without a serial number. You are not "required" to work on non-serialled homebuilds, but nothing in federal laws or regulations forbids you from doing so, just your personal preference or business policies.

There is no legal distinction between an unserialled pre-68 firearm and an unserialled post-68 homebuild.

[Great-Kazoo]

Who is this "sarcasm" you mention, and does he shoot enough?