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    Default Amendment to change CO Senate from population based to land based?

    What do you folks think about a Colorado Constitutional Amendment to change the state senate from a population based alignment to a land area based alignment?

    Essentially, the current senate is just another version of the house- each representative has 77K constituents, and each senator has 144K constituents.

    As a result, political power is consolidated along the front range in both chambers. I would propose that the 35 senate seats be roughly equally allocated by land area across the state. Another option would be to assign one senator per every two counties, perhaps leaving the remaining three senators to be assigned to the largest population counties as a second senator.

    This should have been done 20 - 30 years ago, and would be very difficult to achieve now given the current climate. It just frustrates me that a hipster in a Lodo loft has the same effective representation in state gov't as a rancher who owns thousands of acres.

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    Would rather repeal the 17th Amendment to the U.S. Constitution.

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    Quote Originally Posted by .455_Hunter View Post
    It just frustrates me that a hipster in a Lodo loft has the same effective representation in state gov't as a rancher who owns thousands of acres.

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    I don't think your last sentence conveys what you are suggesting. I understand what you are putting forth in the previous paragraphs, but based on that last sentence, some may be led to ask you: "Doesn't every Colorado citizen deserve equal representation?"

    What is frustrating, is that the hipsters in congested urban areas typically have more representation based on the current model.
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    Quote Originally Posted by .455_Hunter View Post
    It just frustrates me that a hipster in a Lodo loft has the same effective representation in state gov't as a rancher who owns thousands of acres.

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    What? So some asshole living in Lodo should be equal to some asshole living in Galeton? Uh, the 1800's are over. You know that right?
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    Quote Originally Posted by SA Friday View Post
    What? So some asshole living in Lodo should be equal to some asshole living in Galeton? Uh, the 1800's are over. You know that right?
    You familiar with the US Senate, right? A asshole in Cheyenne has more "representation" per citizen than an asshole living in Los Angeles.

    What I am saying is that the concentrated urban groups get more effective representation in the house, and the more dispersed low density areas get more effective representation in the senate. Neither region would have the ability to run roughshod over the other.

    I generally pretty supportive of split government, as it keeps the stupids on either side of the aisle from taking over. Leave things in the hands of Democrats too long and you wont be able to own anything more than a single shot shotgun with a 36" barrel. Leave things in the hands of the Republicans too long and you wont be able to buy condoms.
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    Quote Originally Posted by davsel View Post
    Would rather repeal the 17th Amendment to the U.S. Constitution.
    Ehh, I agree with the sentiment, but I think the current situation is far worse at the state level. At least each state still only gets 2 US Senators. The way all these state legislatures are set up, it's basically like having two houses of representatives. It should be more like each county only gets 2 state senators regardless of population. Yeah, snowball's chance in hell, but that's how it should be IMO.

    OP: where do I sign??
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rumline View Post
    Ehh, I agree with the sentiment, but I think the current situation is far worse at the state level. At least each state still only gets 2 US Senators. The way all these state legislatures are set up, it's basically like having two houses of representatives. It should be more like each county only gets 2 state senators regardless of population. Yeah, snowball's chance in hell, but that's how it should be IMO.

    OP: where do I sign??
    My bad, skipped right past the CO Constitution part of the OP question.
    Agree with your post - "like having two houses of representatives"

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    If you broke both houses down by counties like Rumline suggested it would make more sense. Give each county one or two senators and then representatives by population would be ideal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave View Post
    If you broke both houses down by counties like Rumline suggested it would make more sense. Give each county one or two senators and then representatives by population would be ideal.
    Both parties would not allow it. Special Interest and all................
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    This would help (not fix, but help) what's really broken with Colorado...As a rural resident, I feel like I am not represented, as evidenced by legislation that increases my electricity rates while not affecting those in urban areas. (as an example)

    But I don't think it will ever happen, they like the power they have now
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