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    The reason why this and the 17th amendment repeal will never happen is that the American people have bought the lie that Democracy is the ultimate good. The people will respond to any move back to a republican form of government with "you ain't a takin' muh democracy!"

    I expect to see the opposite, more moves toward "direct democracy" which will end in mob rule.

    However Amendment 71 seems to be polling well so maybe I'm wrong.
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    Quote Originally Posted by .455_Hunter View Post
    You familiar with the US Senate, right? A asshole in Cheyenne has more "representation" per citizen than an asshole living in Los Angeles.

    What I am saying is that the concentrated urban groups get more effective representation in the house, and the more dispersed low density areas get more effective representation in the senate. Neither region would have the ability to run roughshod over the other.
    These intentionally represent differently in the US congress to offset exactly what you are talking about. The problem is the state has nothing offsetting like this. Switching it from population to land based just swings the pendulum.
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    Quote Originally Posted by davsel View Post
    Would rather repeal the 17th Amendment to the U.S. Constitution.

    ^^ this ^^
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    Quote Originally Posted by .455_Hunter View Post
    It just frustrates me that a hipster in a Lodo loft has the same effective representation in state gov't as a rancher who owns thousands of acres.
    I was kinda following you until this. Are you saying someone with more land (or wealth, perhaps?) should have more effective representation than people with less land? What am I missing in your statement here? Because it sounds to me like a great way to give the elite and wealthy a LOT more power than they already have.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bailey Guns View Post
    I was kinda following you until this. Are you saying someone with more land (or wealth, perhaps?) should have more effective representation than people with less land? What am I missing in your statement here? Because it sounds to me like a great way to give the elite and wealthy a LOT more power than they already have.
    Hell, I seem to recall some folks on here believe you should have to be a home/property owner in order to vote, so it wouldn't surprise me if 455 believes a similar thought process.

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    I'm also curious why someone would want to repeal the 17th amendment? You'd want solidly democrat legislatures in many states to "elect" senators? At least with a vote of the people there's a chance a non-democrat will be elected in solidly blue states...CO for example.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hurley842002 View Post
    Hell, I seem to recall some folks on here believe you should have to be a home/property owner in order to vote, so it wouldn't surprise me if 455 believes a similar thought process.
    I'm a firm supporter of Valid citizen (6 months) with some form of residency. BUT, NOT THE HOMELESS SHELTER !
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bailey Guns View Post
    I'm also curious why someone would want to repeal the 17th amendment? You'd want solidly democrat legislatures in many states to "elect" senators? At least with a vote of the people there's a chance a non-democrat will be elected in solidly blue states...CO for example.
    Move back toward Federalism.
    Here's an article outlining the reasons: http://lonang.com/commentaries/conla...nth-amendment/

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    Eff it. Just implement federalism as in Heinlein's Starship Troopers. Don't put your ass on the line? You don't get a vote, just sit back and be happy.

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