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If having an honest discussion about the situation in the black community is racism, than having discussions about firearms is actual violence and this site needs to be shut down.Originally Posted by fportmen45
Yup, nothing racist going on here...
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Outside the cry of RACISM. they have nothing constructive to add (one way or the other) to the discussion. Go Figure.
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Yeah. If you think stating facts is racist you are part of the problem.
I think there is more ignorance going on here than racism.
I've tried to stay out of this.....FAIL. What ignorance are you refering to?
Does anyone remember the "99%" Occupy rallies in Colorado Springs and Denver back in 2011? Denver had somewhere like 400 people or so. COS was much smaller -- maybe 100 people at peak. Either way, there were people who, due to the feeling of a "movement", did something which 99% of them were too dumb to come up with on their own. A lot of them were out of towners.
Based on wikipedia's page on the Denver PD, they have a total of 1778 sworn and unsworn members. Assuming every single one was on the street, they subtends to 1 officer per 1,435 residents in the metro area.
Throw in Denver Sheriff dept's 890 members, and you only go down to 1 per 1k. One cannot run 100% personnel 24/7, so whatever the operational inertia would be, it would probably be far more people per officer than 100% operation -- people need to run the offices, jail, sleep, eat, etc.
That means that in any distraction the police presence at large would go down everywhere but the focal point of violence, which opens the potential for uprising and crime elsewhere.
Using Denver's occupy #'s, I'd imagine 400 people could cause quite a ruckus and draw a fair number of officers fairly easily. That lessens the response time in certain areas to little to no response. Whether or not the particular violence of Ferguson et al. is a concern is moot. It's what happens elsewhere which is a concern. As soon as criminal elements realize police aren't coming, they have a window of opportunity outside the magnifying glass of any protests.
Statistically, one isn't going to face violence in the form of riot-as-protest. It will be in a common, every day occurrence of violence: the dude you didn't realize you cut off, the bum who gets schizo when the voices (demons) tell him to, the guy who you don't see hanging out and rushes in your garage as you wait for the door to go down, the this that or the other.
Large scale violence is obfuscatory and distracting from the real problem: the every day occurrence. It's those which would be the concern if police have to get focused on a bunch of idiots burning down their own neighborhood. It's those situations for which the only response time, if there is a response, is to report, not stop.
The answer to these concerns is the same whether there is a riot on Colfax or not: be vigilant, carry your pistol, diffuse situations if possible, and don't count on the police.
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Well put, CavSct1983... but I'll add that if you want to avoid riots at all costs, move to a rural area.
Highly unlikely a riot like that would happen in the country.... not impossible, but in general this is an urban problem.
Not the reason I live rural, but it's a side benefit that violent crime in general is lower.
ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ, we are the III%, CIP2, and some other catchphrase meant to aggravate progreSSives who are hell bent on taking rights away...
This includes me and my posts, but I think that for the most part a bunch of, not black, guys trying to get a feel for what the "black community" in our area will or won't do, based on stuff we see in the news is coming from a place of ignorance. Not necessarily willful ignorance, just a lack of real knowledge. News stories paint a different picture than reality, just as we see with the reported frequency of mass shootings, compared to actual likelihood of them occurring.
That straw man ya'll are building is taking quite a beating.
If we are not able to judge a man on the content of his character, but rather the color of his skin, we're doomed.
Last edited by fportmen45; 09-26-2016 at 18:43.
I don't know where you're coming from fportmen. Most of us on this board ARE judging based on actions, not colors or races (or genitalia). The actions of BLM and Occupy activists have been out there for all to see and none of it has been constructive. They have shown quite clearly that they are only interested in manufacturing outrage and creating incidents hoping to stir up emotions. "Hands up, don't shoot" was based on a lie but what started as an artificial construct by Soros-funded activists has spurred very real actions that have actually endangered both police and African-American citizens (but conveniently bolstered the base of emotional voters for Democrat causes).
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