Anyone else fed up with the NFL?

[Jeffrey Lebowski]

Ha! Quarterback and aspiring pizza mogul.

My subjectivity aside, I have to wonder if he wouldn’t do better with his own name.

[JohnnyDrama]

Ha! Quarterback and aspiring pizza mogul.

My subjectivity aside, I have to wonder if he wouldn’t do better with his own name.

What ever happened to Craig Morton?

[Jeffrey Lebowski]

IIRC, you are an attorney, correct? I’ll have to defer contracts to you, if so. I am not, but I sure read and review a lot of contracts for business purposes.

I still cannot agree on the point or the analogy, and although I agree that any “buyer is entitled to be pissed off” -I won’t agree that it is with merit. What is a “good” pizza, objectively and contractually? What is my expectation? That every ingredient is there? I might have an expectation around temperature range or microbiological quality, but not taste. I couldn’t get any contract so ill defined as “taste” past any attorneys I’ve worked with.

So – My question: this keeps pointing to the NFL, but did he sign a contract *for airtime* with the NFL?
His contract with the NFL is probably to put his logo on their banners or vice-versa with him putting their logo on his boxes or whatever, and is probably separate and independent from his contracts with TV.

His airtime contract (expectation of Y Brazilian eyeballs) is with the networks, right? Again, I don’t do advertising, but my impression of those sales is such that they do make a prediction (Y Brazilian eyeballs) and sell him a contract based on that, but when it becomes Y -10%, he gets makegoods (the airtime he is due), which he may or may not be pissed about but the guy is on TV constantly. In fact, my other impression is that networks tend to attempt to oversell slightly since Y+10% is seen as far more problematic economically. I still say he paid for airtime, he is getting airtime. His axe to grind is as subjective as my opinion on his pizza.

Even still, there are any number of reasons tastes can change viewership of the NFL. Is he pissed about the concussion movie? The kneeling down is lame, but expecting some sort of consistent code of conduct with the NFL is absurd.

[Martinjmpr]

His airtime contract (expectation of Y Brazilian eyeballs) is with the networks, right? Again, I don’t do advertising, but my impression of those sales is such that they do make a prediction (Y Brazilian eyeballs) and sell him a contract based on that, but when it becomes Y -10%, he gets makegoods (the airtime he is due), which he may or may not be pissed about but the guy is on TV constantly. In fact, my other impression is that networks tend to attempt to oversell slightly since Y+10% is seen as far more problematic economically. I still say he paid for airtime, he is getting airtime.

Yes but that sale was based on an expectation, and if the NFL is either acting or failing to act in such a way that it undermines PJ's reasonable expectation, then the buyer is entitled to be angry because he's not getting what he paid for.

I think you're getting confused about the legal issues. This is not a legal issue - AFAIK, PJs is not trying to sue NFL for breach of contract.

Instead, he's an angry customer who was sold something that he thought would be valuable and PJ's contends is now LESS valuable because of the actions (or inactions) of the NFL.

So it's not a legal issue - nobody is questioning that he paid for airtime and got airtime, and again, AFAIK he's not trying to get out of paying the NFL (my assumption is he's already paid.) He's angry because he paid this money and didn't get the value he'd expected.

His axe to grind is as subjective as my opinion on his pizza.

So what? He's entitled to his subjective opinion, just as you are entitled to yours.

Even still, there are any number of reasons tastes can change viewership of the NFL. Is he pissed about the concussion movie? The kneeling down is lame, but expecting some sort of consistent code of conduct with the NFL is absurd.

If they sell him something, is he not entitled to expect that they, the NFL, won't deliberately do something that diminishes the value of what PJs bought?

Here's an analogy: Lets say you need a place to live, so you look around and find a decent apartment. You go look at the apartment in the daytime, everything's fine. You sign a 1 year lease.

Two days after moving in, the people in the apartment below you start cooking meth. The smell is awful. You call the police, they arrest the perpetrators but the landlord does nothing to clean up the mess and it makes your place unlivable.

Are you entitled to be pissed off? Hey, you paid for an apartment and you got an apartment, right? So what are you complaining about, you got what you paid for didn't you?

[Jeffrey Lebowski]

I think we are disagreeing on the basic underlying assumptions. Is the issue what he paid for or expectations?

Yes but that sale was based on an expectation, and if the NFL is either acting or failing to act in such a way that it undermines PJ's reasonable expectation, then the buyer is entitled to be angry because he's not getting what he paid for.

We both agree he paid for airtime and got airtime.
You think PJ has a reasonable expectation, and I disagree. -That’s cool.

PJ wants a clean NFL, he wants eyeballs on it, and he wants NFL fans to order pizza. I don’t think any of those are reasonable to guarantee, personally, and I don’t think any are fair to hang on a tiger that’ll never change his stripes.

Here's an analogy: Lets say you need a place to live, so you look around and find a decent apartment. You go look at the apartment in the daytime, everything's fine. You sign a 1 year lease.

I might put forth that a better analogy would be PJ (or me) watching that apartment for 30 years, doing off and on business with the landlord, and watching the types of clientele, perhaps meth buyers and sellers, going in and out of the door for years, with various levels of “clean up.” Then PJ (or me) decides to jump in and later complain that the place is full of smelly criminals. I don’t think I have much right to be pissed off. And that’s why I laugh that PJ spoke up.

I don’t think we’ll agree on it, which is fine. If you think he has a legit beef, I guess buy some pizza.

[Jeffrey Lebowski]

If they sell him something, is he not entitled to expect that they, the NFL, won't deliberately do something that diminishes the value of what PJs bought?

Tangential thought 2: Based on this thread, and the 49er suppressor thread, is there any evidence to suggest the NFL thinks they are diminishing their value? They seem kind of proud of all of this. NFL and PJ may have something of a values mismatch.

[Rumline]

Maybe they've made the decision that red-blooded Americans aren't who they want to target anymore and that SJWs are a more lucrative audience.

[MrPrena]

I am getting strong urge to make a new thread with title, "anyone else fed up with papa Johns delivery?"

[Gman]

From the 'they still don't get it" department...

Saints: It's 'unfortunate' vet rejects honor over anthem protests

A Navy veteran is taking a stand against those taking a knee.

John Wells, a retired U.S. Navy commander, turned down an offer from the Saints to be honored prior to last Sunday's game against the Bears because he can't "in good conscience" enter an NFL stadium due to the ongoing national anthem protests.

"Although I am touched and honored to be selected for such an award, the ongoing controversy with NFL players' disrespect for the national flag forces me to decline to participate in the presentation," Wells wrote, according to a release, per reports. "I am unable, in good conscience, to enter an NFL stadium while this discourtesy prevails. Since this award is tainted with the dishonorable actions of the NFL and its players, I cannot accept it."

Wells, who is the executive director of Military Veterans Advocacy, was slated to receive the Peoples Health Champion Award, an honor awarded at Saints home games to recognize "the exceptional achievements of Louisiana residents age 65 and older."

Wells described the national anthem protests as "a slap in the face" to military veterans.

"Men and women have fought and died for the flag that the players are disrespecting," Wells wrote.

The Saints called Well's decision "unfortunate and disappointing" in a lengthy statement released Thursday.

[Bailey Guns]

Good for him.