Random guy from Armslist wants to do a deal without an FFL...

[waxthis]

Ironic thing is that more and more dealers are refusing to do transfers do due tougher laws and fees. Wont be long before most transaction are done in back alleys...Just saying.

[waffles]

Ironic thing is that more and more dealers are refusing to do transfers do due tougher laws and fees. Wont be long before most transaction are done in back alleys...Just saying.

This bugs me. I dumped so much money buying guns at The Shootist in Englewood that I'd see when I came in to do a transfer. Once they upped their fees (almost double iirc) I stopped going and barely buy anything from them. Have decent prices, and do whatever the fuck you need to get idiots like me with poor self control into the door.

[Grant H.]

I don't understand why people are totally ok about breaking one law but consider it an insult to be asked to break another

I know several people who have bought magazines, that hold more than 15 rnds, since the law change, and yet are all shocked and offended when someone suggests transferring a firearm without a BCG.

But, the rules here are no breaking the law. So no more talking about that.

[Martinjmpr]

I know several people who have bought magazines, that hold more than 15 rnds, since the law change, and yet are all shocked and offended when someone suggests transferring a firearm without a BCG.

Seems to me there's a pretty big difference between knowingly and deliberately violating the law yourself on the one hand, and having a complete stranger ask you to break the law on his behalf on the other.

I can see why a person would get bent out of shape over the latter even if they were OK with the former.

[Martinjmpr]

Thing is I seriously doubt that folk asking for FTF on Armslist are setting you up for stings.

I'd put the percentages as follows:

• 85% Otherwise law abiding gun owner fed up with the stupid law and knows that most LEOs in state have outright stated they won't enforce the law and this is their act of civil disobedience.
• 10% Criminal looking to get around BGC.
• 4.9% "Journalist" or anti 2A activist setting up sting.
• .1% Cop setting up sting.

The problem with that analysis is that it presumes that the only negative consequence to selling in violation of the BGC law is either getting "outed" by a journalist or getting busted by the cops in a sting.

I can think of at least one other negative consequence: The gun you sold in the parking lot is then used in a crime or a suicide and when the cops trace the serial number it comes back to you. If the records show that you possessed the gun after the BGC law went into effect (say you bought the gun in December 2013 and filled out a 4473 with that date) you're going to have some 'splainin' to do.

[milwaukeeshaker]

Not trying to start any hassles, but do you really think that law enforcement has the time for these type of piddly setups?

So I have listed a couple firearms I am selling in various places, and I get a hit from a guy in Denver that wants to meet up for a sale.

He gets all weird on me when I say we can meet somewhere if you want to examine the firearm, but any sale or transfer will have to be done through an FFL. I hate that shit. I don't know you, I am not breaking any state laws for you, no matter how dumb I think they are in reality. I don't need the hassle or the headache, and I would suspect they wouldn't want it either.

I am just random guy on the internet, who says I'm not law enforcement trying to bust you on this shit. Nope, not playing.

[Scanker19]

I never do a transfer when I do a private sale.

[CS1983]

I never do a transfer when I do a private sale.

Which is why NM is so much more unsafe than CO...

[Skip]

The problem with that analysis is that it presumes that the only negative consequence to selling in violation of the BGC law is either getting "outed" by a journalist or getting busted by the cops in a sting.

I can think of at least one other negative consequence: The gun you sold in the parking lot is then used in a crime or a suicide and when the cops trace the serial number it comes back to you. If the records show that you possessed the gun after the BGC law went into effect (say you bought the gun in December 2013 and filled out a 4473 with that date) you're going to have some 'splainin' to do.

And the seller owns those consequences without reward.

The BGC can be done for $~15 last time I checked. No biggie. Peace of mind for seller and buyer. I can't remember the last time I had wait more than 20 minutes.

(I'm already on the list anyway. So are you.)

[spqrzilla]

Not trying to start any hassles, but do you really think that law enforcement has the time for these type of piddly setups?

Law enforcement don't have time. Until the day someone wants to see some of that sweet sweet Bloomberg money and finds the time, and you just happened to be the target.
Then they have time.

You can't predict when some DA decides to make his bones with the gun control folk. That's why the whole "No LEO cares" line is horse manure.