Protesters and YOUR rights , What are they in Colorado ?

[BNC04]

Driving down I-25 you are the first few cars at the scene of a protect initiated by a group and they are blocking your path of travel. You are close enough to protesters and are able to maneuver your vehicle and are at the front lines so to speak.

Your nervous and afraid that this can escalate what can you do legally ?

The situations starts to escalate, Ranting, yelling and verbal threatening what can you do legally?

The situations gets explosive, sticks, rocks, are visible, people start kicking your car, spitting on it, jumping on the hood , your in fear for yours and your family's safety now. What can you do legally?

I'm interested to hear some rational thoughts on this. You always hear the statements like, "drive through them", "run'em over", "they get what they deserve" etc. but, little thought goes to what happens as a consequence to those actions.

I'm interested in hearing thoughts and how you may have mentally prepared for various scenarios.
Thanks !
Brett

[Great-Kazoo]

Since you're able to move the vehicle. Back the fuck up!

If you're unable to do so and the MOB engages you.

Brush up or read the C/R.S regarding Use of Deadly Force. YMMV

18-1-704. Use of physical force in defense of a person

1. Except as provided in subsections (2) and (3) of this section, a person is justified in using physical force upon another person in order to defend himself or a third person from what he reasonably believes to be the use of imminent use of unlawful physical force by that other person, and he may use a degree of force which he reasonably believes to be necessary for that purpose.

2. Deadly physical force may be used only if a person reasonably believes a lesser degree of force is inadequate and

a. The actor has reasonable ground to believe and does believe, that he or another person is in imminent danger of being killed or of receiving great bodily injury; or
b. The other person is using or reasonably appears about to use physical force against an occupant of a dwelling or business establishment while committing or attempting to commit burglary as defined in sections 18-4-202 to 18-4-204; or
c. The other person is committing or reasonably appears about to commit kidnapping as defined in section 18-3-301 or 18-3-302, robbery as defined in section 18-4-301 or 18-4-302, sexual assault as set forth in section 18-3-402 or in section 18-3-403 as it existed prior to July 1, 2000, or assault as defined in sections 18-3-202 and 18-3-203.

[vectorsc]

Anyone threatening your life without a legally justified reason (such as preventing you from committing a class a felony) is done.

I am not a lawyer and the lawyers i have consulted while teaching CCW were in other states. However, these laws are a fairly universal concept.

And yes, if you have to shoot a dozen protestors with your ar15 pistol you are going to get to go on a career ending media rape fest anus expanding locomotive oddysey.

But you and your family won't be all dead.

This is also one of the reasons i dont bash police when i try to open the discussion that our society could do better with policing. Maybe I can find a better way to do it in the future as I understand that its pretty nice to be able to stow your family-still-alive-tomorrow tools back where they belong because the SWAT team just arrived.

[TRnCO]

If I were the "front" car and the protestors were adamant about not allowing me by, I'd lay on the horn and not let off until they let me by, OR they started pounding on my truck, then I'd start driving because at that point, I'd feel threated. BUT I THINK a constant horn in their ear MIGHT convince them to let me by.

[davsel]

Nuke 'em all

[Zundfolge]

Kazoo is correct. If you have reasonable grounds to believe you or yours will be seriously injured or killed, you have the right to use lethal force.

That said, you're in a multi thousand pound metal box, you don't need to mash the gas pedal down to the floor and do a burnout before running them all down while doing donuts. Put the car in gear, lay on the horn and start rolling forward slowly, gradually increasing speed but doing your best to not actually run someone over.

[00tec]

Kazoo is correct. If you have reasonable grounds to believe you or yours will be seriously injured or killed, you have the right to use lethal force.

That said, you're in a multi thousand pound metal box, you don't need to mash the gas pedal down to the floor and do a burnout before running them all down while doing donuts. Put the car in gear, lay on the horn and start rolling forward slowly, gradually increasing speed but doing your best to not actually run someone over.

I agree wit this, BUT if someone removes the glass between me and outside air, the pedal on the right goes down.

[CS1983]

Kazoo is correct. If you have reasonable grounds to believe you or yours will be seriously injured or killed, you have the right to use lethal force.

That said, you're in a multi thousand pound metal box, you don't need to mash the gas pedal down to the floor and do a burnout before running them all down while doing donuts. Put the car in gear, lay on the horn and start rolling forward slowly, gradually increasing speed but doing your best to not actually run someone over.

Problem with this is what happens when, going slow, you don't have the ability to get over the bodies now stuck until your car? If you are going to risk hitting someone, then freaking HIT SOMEONE. The idea of trying to not hit someone is akin to saying "just wound them" or "why not just shoot them in the leg?" etc.

You are using deadly force by DRIVING THROUGH A CROWD, so don't do it stupidly and get stuck w/ a body high centering you and/or allowing the crowd to close in and debrain you.

[HoneyBadger]

1. Install OC canisters next to the headlights (but tucked away under the hood) that can be activated from the driver's seat.

2. Buy an extra car battery and and transformer. Turn your hood and fenders into an electric fence.

3. Put a REALLY LOUD speaker in your grill and blast Disney Princess music. If that doesn't pacify them, switch to something a little more offensive, like Toby Keith's "Courtesy of Red White and Blue".
EDIT: After some deep contemplation and self-reflection, I realized the answer was right in front of me the whole time: Play the National Anthem and they will stop everything just to kneel down.

4. Use a modified windshield wiper fluid system to spray elk piss (or something equally pungent) in a wide spray pattern all around your car. Make sure your external air vents are closed.

5. Keep a feral hog in your trunk and feed it a steak wrapped in dirty hippie clothes once a day. When surrounded by protesters, grab your cell phone, set it to video mode, and hit the trunk release.

6. TrunkMonkey.

7. Affix airbags (Takata is preferred) around the exterior of your vehicle. Trigger them from the driver's seat when your vehicle's movement is impeded. Probably most effective when combined with Idea #1 or Idea #8.

8.

Loudspeaker under the hood, and play really loud full automatic gunshots and screams.

9. Always travel in convoy with Davsel as the lead vehicle. Davsel will likely clear a path through the protest line.

I will update as more ideas come.

In all seriousness, amso's advice is pretty good legal advice.

And Z had some pretty darn good advice too:

Well if you're going to plan ahead that much, maybe just stay away from "those" neighborhoods in the first place and you won't have to deal with it at all.

[roberth]

I have rights? The way things are going the only people with rights are criminals.

I might look for the group leadership and point my vehicle in their general direction.