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Link to contact your representatives and Senator about this very important issue.
http://www.fightthenoise.org/take-ac...eid=ce1cf56aea
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Last edited by Joe_K; 01-17-2017 at 13:07.
Jeez Chuck, you're killin my buzz
I though I might actually show up at a match with a can if this passes...
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Bust out the Visa and get busy .Originally Posted by Delfuego
Jeez Chuck, you're killin my buzz
I though I might actually show up at a match with a can if this passes...
I'd like nothing better than to ring Shane up and get a new can when ever I liked but this is easy political capitol for these idiots to bargain with , if they bargain it away for something else there is no loss or gain with leaving things the way they are .
The thing that worries me most is if this passes and suppressors come off the NFA does that mean the previous transfers are null and void in the eyes of Colo and the affirmative defense for people that have them go away and instant criminal status happens ?
Is there a precedent for a federal law being no longer applied to an item and then States using existing laws, or creating laws to ban the private, otherwise legal ownership of said items?
If current legal NFA ownership is currently overiding Colorado view of suppressors as dangerous weapons, then wouldn't the Feds view of suppressors as nothing more than the purchase of a handgun, or long gun wouldn't that also preempt Colorado law?
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You mean kind of like how federal law doesn't restrict owning a magazine with a capacity greater than 15 rounds but Colorado does?
Aside from the AWB there was never a federal ban on magazine capacity.
Err "restriction on magazine capacity"
But I get your point, makes sense.
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NFA items are approved / allowed under state laws. As CA, NY and other states do not allow any or specific ones. WA last year passed a law prohibiting Form 1's . It's the fed's that approve one's application, the states allow ownership.
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The pot shops in Co are a perfect example of conflict between state and federal laws .
The thing with an " affirmative defense " in Co law does not mean so much as to assume it is legal but that it is an acceptable excuse . Both Aurora and Denver in the past have seized Legally transferred and possessed NFA items that people had to go to court to get returned .
The problem with the bill is there is no preemption clause in it and that means state law would come in , Like the multiple states now that prohibit NFA items all together .
What needs to happen is that the NFA/GCA/etc. need to be repealed in their entirety (not just unconstitutional, but unlike most of the bogus Nazi claims being thrown around in the media lately, my understanding is that the NFA can be directly tied to Nazi-era Germany's gun laws), and at the same time, a replacement law enacted to explicitly prohibit any other Federal OR State level restrictions (for law abiding citizens with no violent/DV related felonies) on any firearms, destructive devices, or related items which are in common use by any Military branch. A side benefit of this would likely reinvigorate small-arms development in the private sector beyond just basic and/or cosmetic enhancements to existing platforms.
This would also be fully consistent amd defensible with regard to both the letter and intent of the Constitution/BoR, from multiple points and perspectives, and could completely nullify any State-level bullshit. Fuck them and their utterly unconstitutional "dangerous/deadly weapon" bullshit....
Also, I get that some folks have made a significant investment in Pre-86' items no longer available (and thus vastily and artificially inflated in value due to laws of supply and demand), and I'm sure this only applies to a small subset of those individuals, but holy shit, they need to be willing to take one for the fucking team and stop lobbying to keep those laws in place just to keep the prices/value high for those items. I mean, file an insurance/loss claim, write it off for tax purposes (not 100% sure if thats possible), but damn, there's only one "right" side on this issue, the alterative is utterly hypocritical and the antithesis of adherence to constitutional & American principles....
ETA: Just to qualify that last statement, I think folks from all walks can agree that there's a metric shit-ton of BS laws on the books at all levels (I'll refrain from quoting "Dr. Ferris"), but if someone has no affinity towards, or respect for the bedrock laws and charter of our nation, which incidentally define the entirety of the foundational structure of our government and upon which all other laws are based (and thus provides them with legitimacy - both laws and the legislators themselves), then those individuals can either get themselves right in the head, or can GTFO and go somewhere more in line with their world view...
Last edited by DireWolf; 01-18-2017 at 02:19.
The National Firearms Act of 1934 has nothing to do with Nazi's and everything to do with prohibition and the shity economy of the late 20's and early 30's right here in the USA .
http://legal-dictionary.thefreedicti...ms+Act+of+1934
And the supreme court has already seen a case and ruled on the constitutionality of the law in 1939 ,
https://www.law.cornell.edu/supremecourt/text/307/174
Gun control laws in the US have always been a knee jerk reaction by politicians to a perceived problem that they just have to do something about not some grand Nazi conspiracy . Is there a financial interest by some to remove the NFA , maybe but the buyers and sellers of 50 K plus collectable full auto's are a minuscule part of the gun owning public . Did the NFA and more importantly the 86 ban on newly constructed full auto kill private small arms development in the US , absolutely . The thing here is people knowing how the government operates and them never releasing control of something once they get their fingers in it and only continually making things worse even when saying they will make it all better , look at the health care debacle that went from repeal to repeal and replace .
It is always funny to me where you get all the people thumping their chests about states rights and how the founding fathers put that in the constitution for a reason , which I whole heartily agree with , just look at any of the pot threads on here for many examples of this but as soon as it goes the other way and state law is the hang up its the job of the feds to remedy it with federal law . This is how we got in this place to begin with and the goal should be to eliminate the federal laws beyond the constitutional reach of the government not make it larger .
Last edited by C Ward; 01-18-2017 at 09:18.
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