Denver PD Fined for Declining Non US Citizens.

[DireWolf]

1 - no, we are in this situation because a lot of police simply do not care about the law and routinely violate civil rights. When Jimmy from Alabama, born and bred, "Don't give no rats ass, I'm the law 'round he'e boy", does it make a difference if Jimmy is a citizen? Nope. Why is this occurring? Because Jimmy a) doesn't care because potentially b) Jimmy didn't have to pass much of a standard because c) citizens don't know much of anything about US law -- it's no longer really taught.

2 - Who cares what other countries do? That you'd appeal to the law in other countries about citizens of other countries not following US law because they don't know it is illogical beyond belief. If you want US law to be followed, then appeal to US law.

3 - What about explaining to Jimmy from Alabama?

If you want a standard, citizen from falling out of a uterus onto US soil is a pretty lame one. I'd prefer people who meet a standard of knowledge and ability to apply it.

I'm not disagreeing that there are bigger problems at play, and "good-ol-boy" officer Jimmy is a big one that isn't addressed by this.

I also dont really care what other countries do, my point is that we dont always have to be the 'nice guy' and for anybody that takes issue with us putting "Americans first" should go try their argument elsewhere and see how far that gets them...

Somebody will always be unhappy with any course of action taken, so in America, we need to put America and American citizens first (because whatever you think of those other countries, that's exactly what they are doing with respect to themselves), and any dissenting opinions can remain just that.....

And lastly, the standard isn't and shouldn't be just one item, because I completely agree with #3, and birth location is largely irrelevant (unless your formative years were spent learning "death to America" or the like)...


Maybe something like:

1. Does the position have enforcement authority (as opposed to admin functions)? If not, then go to less rigorous vetting (e.g. criminal/employment history, etc.)

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2. If enforcement, is applicant citizen or have documented proof of citizenship-in-progress?

3. Can applicant pass required background checks? (If they moved here from syria 6 months ago. My guess would be they can't)

If yes, then applicant provided with appropriate refresher training, including civics, US constitution, ethics, etc., with periodic retraining (similar to annual re-training required in many professions). This would be a blanket approach for all relevant personnel...


Once again, just my opinion on the matter, and I believe this is actually several issues which need to be considered as independent of each other, though closely related...





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