Baca County Permit Holders? (Sheriff Rant)

[jh308]

That is how my last El Paso county CCW expired. They would only issue it with an expiration date of the Sheriff's term.

That was a few years ago... maybe things have changed.

If it's after 2003, I don't see where they have a choice. The laws regarding statewide issuance were inacted in the Colorado Senate that year. The sheriff's have absolutely no say whatsoever in the term limit from all laws I can find. In fact, I can't see where they have any option at all except to issue, as long as you meet the criteria of course. Don't put up w/it.

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My father went in today, and the sheriff's story had changed. They were willing to extend the entire five years as the law states. Donna wanted him to thank me for her, as I guess after I read her the C.R.S. and the Senate Bill in our heated discussion yesterday, she actually read it. After reading the law, they learned that not only did they have to issue for 5 yrs, they can also charge up to $100 + CBI fee. So she asked him to thank me for them making more money. He said he told her that was fine, as he was still getting 3 more years for the extra $50 they were now charging. He's still planning on putting something in the paper so that all the CCW holders they have screwed over can come and request their extra term that they were not given. We have also called all the other class members, just in case they get any shit from them.

Now just for the 90 day wait to make sure they don't try and pull anything else or deny approval.

[Colorado Osprey]

If it's after 2003, I don't see where they have a choice. The laws regarding statewide issuance were inacted in the Colorado Senate that year. The sheriff's have absolutely no say whatsoever in the term limit from all laws I can find. In fact, I can't see where they have any option at all except to issue, as long as you meet the criteria of course. Don't put up w/it.

actually it expired in '07 when the last sheriff election was

[jh308]

actually it expired in '07 when the last sheriff election was

If you renewed and it is not valid for five years from the date of renewal, you need to go back and demand your remaining term. The only reason they get away w/this crap is because we let them. The more we give, the more they take. The whole reason that our government, state, local, and federal, is the way it is today is because we have let it happen. We have nothing to blame, but ourselves. We can continue to bend over for them, or we can put up a fight. It's our choice whether we continue down this path or not. But that's just my MHO, YMMV. You may have circumstances that prevent you from doing this. If so, I'm sorry, that sucks.

[jh308]

The sheriff is saying that this was an oversight by his staff. They were just doing the same as the previous sheriff had done. He had asked him to come in and discuss the matter w/him personally yesterday. The sheriff said it was an oversight and he appreciated the clarification on the subject. He assured him that he would correct the prior CCW holders permits. My father told him as long as he would do that, he would inform the various associations that we had contacted that the matter had been resolved. He would also retract his letter to the papers as long as this was done. If he found out otherwise, he would turn the heat back on and go ahead w/his letter to the paper. When he was leaving Donna (Glorified Secretary and the person who handles the CCW permits) told him that was fine, but she was going to charge all of the CCW holders $50 more for the permit extension. He told her that was not possible. They paid for a 5 year permit, and they were obligated to make sure that they received it. So we'll see what happens. I'd say Donna needs to be replaced, however.

[Rampart Runner]

I am keeping an eye on this thread.

Thanks for updating and tell your Dad that I appreciate his tenacity.

RR

[Dalendenver]

Did anyone point out to Donna that the fee has to be related to actual costs? The statute says;

(5) The sheriff in each county or city and county in the state shall establish the amount of the new and renewal permit fees within his or her jurisdiction. The amount of the new and renewal permit fees shall comply with the limits specified in paragraph (b) of subsection (2) of this section and section 18-12-211 (1), respectively. The fee amounts shall reflect the actual direct and indirect costs to the sheriff of processing permit applications and renewal applications pursuant to this part 2.

If they were only charging $50 before and now want to charge $100 I would think they would have to justify this increase. The problem is I don't know who would enforce it.

[Irving]

I think that part about the "indirect" fees sounds like a difficult to prove loop hole to me.

[jh308]

Thanks for the info.

As far as I know, other than raising the fee, they seem to doing things correctly now. I haven't heard from anyone of the prior holders yet to see if they have fixed the dates yet or not. I've been so busy w/other things that I haven't had a chance to call anyone lately. When I find out I'll post back.

We're just about 45days so far, I'm assuming he'll be waiting the full 90 days, lol.