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    The communist path to utopia, just that some will always be more equal than others because of a monopoly on government violence. Fairness across the board ... for some anyway, just not you.

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    Sounds like a topic for another thread, but the reason some people get tax breaks and others don't, has nothing to do with which class they are in, and more (if not everything) to do with what type of job they have. People that are super rich didn't get that way working for an employer, and they don't have a "regular" job that most in the middle class do. It's not at all about the amount of money you make, but how you make the money. That tax option is open to everyone. All you have to do is leave your job and make money a different way. Most people don't have the stomach to make such a change.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Irving View Post
    Sounds like a topic for another thread, but the reason some people get tax breaks and others don't, has nothing to do with which class they are in, and more (if not everything) to do with what type of job they have. People that are super rich didn't get that way working for an employer, and they don't have a "regular" job that most in the middle class do. It's not at all about the amount of money you make, but how you make the money. That tax option is open to everyone. All you have to do is leave your job and make money a different way. Most people don't have the stomach to make such a change.
    A fair/flat tax would make that statement true.

    Currently it is not true. Couple of examples...

    http://ctj.org/ctjreports/2015/02/te...sition_tax.php

    http://choosecolorado.com/doing-busi...ve-tax-credit/


    And I'm not listing all of the Obama era/corporate scandals and "transformations." There's something to be said about the ACA's individual mandate, Solendra, etc... all of which demonstrate crony capitalism.

    I'm a small business person (S-Corp) so I know a few things here. Yes, I get some tax breaks that large corps get too. But I can't get all the breaks those larger corps get unless I had more revenue/capital/jobs.

    You and I have never known or seen a free market.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Irving View Post
    Sounds like a topic for another thread, but the reason some people get tax breaks and others don't, has nothing to do with which class they are in, and more (if not everything) to do with what type of job they have. People that are super rich didn't get that way working for an employer, and they don't have a "regular" job that most in the middle class do. It's not at all about the amount of money you make, but how you make the money. That tax option is open to everyone. All you have to do is leave your job and make money a different way. Most people don't have the stomach to make such a change.
    You speak the truth there. Most of the comfortably well off people I've known operated their own businesses. I tried it briefly and although not "comfortable" managed to get by, and it was a lot of fun. Working for yourself isn't something taught in school. In the words of one of my business professors, " There's a fine line between being self-employed and being unemployed."

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    I assume the 'mascots' get to deal with cleaning off the tables, mopping up spills, or any vile messes left behind in the restrooms.

    Reading about this restaurant makes me want to open a bacon-centric eatery.

    As much as the left may like the idea of complete robot-run places, I am confident it won't happen. American ingenuity aside, the piss-poor manners of people will always require at least a token human element; if nothing more than to protect the investment and interests of the business itself.

    Case in point: we went to Walmart yesterday, for some last-minute holiday shopping. As we were walking toward the electronics section in the back of the store, a couple of eight-to-ten year old boys went racing through the aisle. One was on a damn skateboard, the other was bouncing a big ball. People were trying to dodge the kids. There was no parent around, of course. A Walmart employee tried politely to settle them down, telling them to please to stop doing that, so they didn't hurt themselves or someone else. The younger one settled down and looked a little ashamed. The older one sneered and said to his friend, "He's just an assistant manager. That don't mean nothing!"

    If you translate this incident to a restaurant that's run only by robots, there will be lawsuits up the wazoo because of careless or negligent actions. After all, if there's nobody to tell Little Johnny to stay out of the kitchen and not go swimming in the fryer or not to go into the freezer and touch the packages of beef because he could hurt himself or others, those places will be put out of business because nobody will insure them. This is the society that has to mark boxes of matches with a "Danger: Flammable" sign, after all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheGrey View Post
    The younger one settled down and looked a little ashamed. The older one sneered and said to his friend, "He's just an assistant manager. That don't mean nothing!"

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    Grey, while I'd love to agree with that, I think at some point, we'll lose this battle. Just based on costs/restrictions/requirements/etc places on businesses. I dont think the left really likes small businesses. Throw in the fact that with each new generation, they seem to dislike person to person contact more and more. In 20 years, I don't know what society will want. I think there is a group that still appreciates customer service and is willing to go out of their way to support it but that group is dwindling.

    Also, I assume that the restaurants would be sealed off to the back/kitchen area. In the example given, the food was put into a "cubicle" for pick up. The sitting area was just a lounge. Robo cleaners, push a button to request a clean up, etc. Who knows. But at rate, we'll complain, nag, regulate ourselves out of service jobs. Not to mention, how many people sneer at clients these days in the service industry? "How dare you expect me to provide that much service?!" All while demanding more pay.

    We're doing this to ourselves, unfortunately.

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    Dave_L, I can see that happening. I'm just not sure how they'll completely remove the human element yet. And I forsee a couple of utter failures, from which other businesses will learn and build from.
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