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    Machine Gunner Martinjmpr's Avatar
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    Default Seeking input on home dilemma: Modify or Move?

    Every year after Christmas the wife and I have long discussions about what we want to do in the next year.

    Here's the basic stats: We're both in our mid-50's, kids are grown and out of the house (2 kids, 3 grandkids, all hers from previous marriage.) We live in an older part of Englewood that's still a pretty nice neighborhood. We've been together for 11 years now and married for 8.

    House is an older ranch-style, smallish (1100 square feet.) 3 BR and 1 Bath (yes, ONE bath.)

    Back in 2008 right after I moved in, we did major renovations to the house. We walled off the old 1 car attached garage and made it our "utility room" (basically like our basement. It is not connected to the rest of the house and you enter it from the back porch.) We put in an oversized, detached 2 car garage that comfortably accommodates our 2 of our 4 SUVs, my two motorcycles and lots of other stuff. We're on a big lot with a long concrete drive that accommodates our other vehicles and our two trailers (travel trailer and utility trailer. Yes, we have a lot of license plates. ) We also had new siding put on the house, all new windows, a new furnace, and a new roof. In 2009 we put in a new water heater and in 2012 we completely renovated the kitchen with new cabinets, new appliances and granite counters.

    The dilemma is this: At 1100 square feet, the house is feeling too small, especially when we entertain. We have one living room that basically feels like a hallway (it's probably not more than 18' x 22') Having only one bathroom is a real problem, and furthermore our bathroom is very, very small and designed in such a way that the configuration cannot be changed without major renovations.

    We LOVE our brand new kitchen, and of course, I LOVE my big garage. But other than that, and the fact that my wife has lived in this house since 1981 (when she was 18 and moved in with her first husband) there's not much to keep us here.

    We have been considering a few options.

    Option 1 would be a MAJOR renovation. We would either pop the top (not my preference as I like living in a house with no stairs) or (more likely) pop out the rear wall and extend the house rearward. We would enlarge the master bedroom, add a bathroom that is big enough to be ADA compliant, and most likely add another "great room" out the back in between the house and the detached garage to give us living and entertainment space. We haven't talked to a contractor yet but I'm assuming this project would take 3 - 6 months and most likely cost on the order of $100k.

    Option 2 would be to simply fix the few little things around the house that need fixing, put it up for sale and buy another house that has the features we need (2000 - 2600 square feet, 3+ bedrooms, 2+ baths, 2+ car garage with RV storage on-property, large enough room for us to entertain 25 - 30 guests, etc.) Property in our neighborhood seems to be going for a pretty penny (the house across the street sold for $340k in June and it was TRASHED when they sold it. It was, however, bigger than ours and had 2 baths. It only had a 1 car garage though.) Our most conservative estimate is that we could sell our current house for around $300 - $325k and we have found quite a few houses that fit our requirements in the $375k - $450k range.

    The advantage for Option 1 (besides the obvious one of not moving!) is that we know this house really well (as I said, the wife has been here for 36 years!) and there are no "surprises" for us. The furnace and other appliances are in good shape, there are no issues with leaking or flooding, and we know and like our neighbors (well, most of them...) If we "built out" we could get exactly what we want as far as living space, bathroom, etc. The downside is obviously the hassle of doing all this work, and the possibility that the "livability" will be compromised while construction is ongoing. Also I learned from experience with our garage/window/furnace/siding project that sometimes "managing" contractors is an exhausting job itself!

    The advantage for Option 2 would be the ability to move right into another place that suits us. Our credit is actually good enough that we are considering buying first and then not selling until we are fully moved into the new house - our mortgage payments are low enough and we earn enough that we could manage that. The downside is that, potentially, the bottom could drop out of the market at the wrong time making it difficult for us to sell or putting us in a position where we end up selling for way less than we were planning, which gives us a much higher mortgage on the "new" house than we had planned and potentially leaving us "house poor."

    So for those of you that have had similar dilemmas, what do you think? At this point we're both leaning heavily towards option 2. We only owe about $50k on our current house and we both have excellent credit. As a plus, I'm a veteran who has never bought a home before so I would qualify for VA financing if we need it.

    Anyway, I'd appreciate any input.
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    One thing to factor in is, even if you decided on option 1 today, are you sure you can line up a good contractor to get it done by the end of the summer?

    During the boom last year, it was difficult to get anyone to call you back

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    How does either option fit in with your ultimate life plan?

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    If you want a divorce, pop the top.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Irving View Post
    How does either option fit in with your ultimate life plan?
    This. Remember, a new loan means 30 new years of payments.

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    You sound like you're discussing the same thing we are. Already having a full 2nd story (full bath, and bedroom) going higher isn't on the radar. ADA... already there for some things, extending out back another 1500 + sq ft is doable. BUT realistically an open floor plan is something we'd prefer.
    That brings us to other options

    1: Become snow birds, upgrading the house for when we're here and traveling dec-feb. Downside to that is we're still stuck with a small shop (under 1k sq ft. Sometghing the spouse and i agree needs to be an easy 40 or 60x building

    2: sell this place, relocating out of state.

    For us there's some family living here. Our daughter live in (GASP) CA which isn't on radar as new residence. So there's no grandkids down the block or a short drive holding us here.
    There is however a solid group of friends we consider extended family. Moving from such a great group of people would be the same as moving away from blood relatives. Not to mention the network i've built up 3+ decades

    For you unless the grandkids are down the block, why stay. Can you get something turn key that meets your demands by selling existing home, without going back too deep in debt?

    Something you might consider (what my spouse suggest for us) with so little a mortgage remaining. Find what you want in a home, use the equity from 1st to buy second. This allows you to move at your pace, not the new owners. Then sell home 1 paying off the note on it and left over $$ to cover 2nd
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    How often do you entertain that you'd be willing to spend $100k in order to have parties?

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    Option 3: Long term wealth building- buy a new place, turn the current house into an income generating rental property. I dunno what the nuts and bolts of this kind of deal might be, but if you can upgrade houses and the rent on your current place will more than cover your current mortgage plus management fees, it seems like a viable alternative.
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    All i got out of it was 4 suvs??? Sell 2-3 and get a truck for the trailors.

    Renting it out is attractive esp if you are paid off already but is somewhat of a risk due to shitheads.

    Its a pain, but I would shop around for a different property it sounds like. Or consider that as you are getting older you might not be able to use all that "stuff" and should take it as a chance to unpack rat a bit.

    I'd say buying now is kinda at the top of the bubble so to speak. Then again your property is probably hugely up in value. I'd say it's a good switch if getting one of those remote properties like listed on this forum a few times. Or while it is a long term cost, at least selling this for 300 after a huge increase isn't hurting as bad buying something at 400 I'd think since I was inclined to think what I read was a lot of the huge price increases are all on the sub 325k single family type homes.

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    I have a large home with multiple bathrooms.

    When I get to be your age and it's just me and the wife I think I'll be looking for something a bit smaller. You know, something like your place.

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