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    Experience set aside, an arrest was made (still can't believe it). Suspect is charged. DA isn't backing down. You seem to be saying "I wouldn't have done this" which makes since because you seem like an honest and decent LEO. I don't think that's in play here.

    I wouldn't have, but no, that is not what I am saying. I am saying the defense attorney will have a field day with this case, starting with the lack of PC for an arrest. You don't need PC to make a stop, just reasonable suspicion. Prosecutors always start with the officers training and experience to lay a foundation to show the officer has the required experience to conduct the investigation and any subsequent arrest. It is the same foundation that defense attorneys will want to poke holes into. I work complex investigations and the defense always wants to try to poke holes in my training and experience and usually after that unsuccessful attempt, they then attack the evidence and the procedure for collection of evidence.
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    The government just wants the drivers money. And justice for all. Bleh MSM reporting.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheGrey View Post
    Unbelievable.

    That's it. I'm stockpiling caffeine.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jmg8550 View Post
    California just needs to get on with it and break away from the USA, and declare themselves an authoritarian based government. The direction they're going, might as well make it official.
    I keep thinking how funny it would be if California secedes, they would promptly be invaded, probably first by the Mexican fifth column already there, and then it would become a russo-sino battleground. Good luck defending that.

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    If this were the norm in California, it wouldn't be news on the first place.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Irving View Post
    If this were the norm in California, it wouldn't be news on the first place.
    define Norm & California.

    You're talking about a state that is under water health care wise in LA and other sanctuary cities. Where cutting down trees has the potential to be charged with an EPA violation. 10 day waiting period for a firearm and soon to be BGC and a permit required to buy ammunition.

    AND................ ALL wood stoves purchased in CA must be registered !!
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    Quote Originally Posted by OneGuy67 View Post
    Experience set aside, an arrest was made (still can't believe it). Suspect is charged. DA isn't backing down. You seem to be saying "I wouldn't have done this" which makes since because you seem like an honest and decent LEO. I don't think that's in play here.

    I wouldn't have, but no, that is not what I am saying. I am saying the defense attorney will have a field day with this case, starting with the lack of PC for an arrest. You don't need PC to make a stop, just reasonable suspicion. Prosecutors always start with the officers training and experience to lay a foundation to show the officer has the required experience to conduct the investigation and any subsequent arrest. It is the same foundation that defense attorneys will want to poke holes into. I work complex investigations and the defense always wants to try to poke holes in my training and experience and usually after that unsuccessful attempt, they then attack the evidence and the procedure for collection of evidence.
    I agree there will be a field day.

    Her incredible actions led to a breath test that returned a whopping 0.00 and two blood tests which came back clean. She could be an incompetent idiot or experienced genius, all she did was prove, by a higher standard than reasonable doubt, that the poor guy was stone sober.

    That's how ridiculous this (appears) to be.


    Quote Originally Posted by Irving View Post
    Court doesn't work like we think it works.
    You think a jury would convict a guy for a cup or two of coffee? It's no ham sandwich, but damn.

    http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/...mania/2069335/

    About 83 percent of adults drink coffee in the U.S., the world's biggest consumer of the beverage, up from 78 percent a year earlier, according to the National Coffee Association's 2013 online survey.
    Add in tea and soda/colas (also has caffeine) and you're probably close to 90%. So 90% of the people in that court room will have consumed caffeine prior to driving to the courthouse that morning or at some point in the day.

    I'd take those odds (assuming I didn't pound 10 shots of espresso) anywhere but Utah!

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheGrey View Post
    Unbelievable.

    That's it. I'm stockpiling caffeine.
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    ^^ EXACTLY! LOL!
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    If you think I'm a cranky bastard with caffeine, just see what happens when I don't get it.
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