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    Quote Originally Posted by DireWolf View Post
    As someone who spends a good bit of time on commercial flights, I STRONGLY disagree with items A, B, H, and I....The rest aren't too bad.

    Reason - A, B, and I would be MASSIVE inconveniences and infringements for anyone who travels frequently, (unless for A you're not counting a "personal" item such as a backpack, which is the way it is now - I, and many people I know, almost never check bags unless travelling for vacation with family), and offer almost no real risk mitigation benefits whatsoever - those who would give up essential liberties for temporary (and false in this case) security deserve neither....

    As for H, well, it would have to be an electronic system....Imagine if the first thing an attacker did was hack the airplane control systems and PLCs in question (really not that hard to do with the right skillset - ANYTHING can be hacked, including security/anti-malware software which is specifically designed to prevent that from happening), and did a positive-override of the locking mechanism...Now air marshall (if on plane), as well as all passengers, with the exception of the attackers, are locked in their seats and cannot take defensive actions or try to overwhelm the attackers....Are we going to ban laptops on planes? Smartphones? See comment above....

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    The idea was to see what ideas might actually make us safer. In retrospect the seat belt idea is pretty cruddy, I was thinking about it more along the lines of an amusement park ride.

    For me persinally I would prefer the bag dropoff/delivery deal. And I would set the carry - on bag size limit pretty generous. Personal or needed items like strollers, purses, backpacks, laptop bags all good to go.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MOLON LABE View Post
    For me persinally I would prefer the bag dropoff/delivery deal. And I would set the carry - on bag size limit pretty generous. Personal or needed items like strollers, purses, backpacks, laptop bags all good to go.

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    And for me, personally, this was the worst idea of them all. Forcing me to be unarmed from the airport to wherever the drop-off or home destination might be, is unacceptable, then again I've been called crazy for wanting to be armed EVERYWHERE.

    ETA: I'm NOT willing to give up anymore freedom for "security".
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    Nope, because they are useful and match the color of the landscape of where I was often shooting at the time of purchase. I don't think I have that exact color.

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    The single raised finger is a jihadi gesture. Means a few things, depending on your source... one umma, the Shahada (La illaha illa Allah, Mohammad rasul Allah -- there is no god but Allah and Mohammad is his messenger), etc.

    The scarf is only really material in that context.
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    Airport/Airline Security?

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    No matter the actions taken by gov bad people will find a way to cause terror. Let's ban all potty objects and anything that can travel over 5 mph as well as any slippery surfaces

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    In principle I'm in favor of survival of the fittest, removing warning labels, everyone carries a sidearm wherever they want including on a commercial Airlines, no lawsuits or lawyers, ban Islam, no licensing for anything. Period.

    But I am a realist. We live in the time period we do, small, significant changes to regain what we lost over a period of time.

    The airport and air travel is already highly inconvenient, unsafe, and theatre security instead of real security.

    How would YOU do it, while still having a foot planted on terra - firma. As in realistic ways to provide REAL security while realizing there is no way to guarantee absolute safety, whether in a true libertarian state, or a completely authoritarian state.

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    AS much as i agree in theory to some of the suggestions. replace airlines & airport with GUN. This is the left of center agenda for gun owners.

    There is no sure proof way to eliminate anyone bent on violence. Until we as a society institute swift justice for any offender of such, we're spinning our wheels.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Great-Kazoo View Post
    AS much as i agree in theory to some of the suggestions. replace airlines & airport with GUN. This is the left of center agenda for gun owners.

    There is no sure proof way to eliminate anyone bent on violence. Until we as a society institute swift justice for any offender of such, we're spinning our wheels.
    Gallows on the tarmac sounds like a start. Instigate violence at an airport and somehow don't get shot? The actor doesn't see the next sunrise. Due process consists of a review of the video footage by a drafted jury of people at the airport, a simple majority needed for conviction.
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