Shots fired at Fort Lauderdale Airport

[Joe_K]

In principle I'm in favor of survival of the fittest, removing warning labels, everyone carries a sidearm wherever they want including on a commercial Airlines, no lawsuits or lawyers, ban Islam, no licensing for anything. Period.

But I am a realist. We live in the time period we do, small, significant changes to regain what we lost over a period of time.

The airport and air travel is already highly inconvenient, unsafe, and theatre security instead of real security.

How would YOU do it, while still having a foot planted on terra - firma. As in realistic ways to provide REAL security while realizing there is no way to guarantee absolute safety, whether in a true libertarian state, or a completely authoritarian state.

Velocitas, Opprimere,
Violentia Operandi

[OldFogey]

Maybe this deserves its own thread, but here goes.

Five Questions to ask Yourself About Airport Security.

1. Would zero security screening be better than what we have have now?

2. How SHOULD airport security be handled here in the U.S.? (Lets first assume we actually want some form of screening to occur before anyone steps onto an aircraft.)

3. Should the TSA be: Eliminated? Improved? Armed/unarmed? Replaced, and if so by whom?

4. Would your system violate more or less constitutional rights than the current system?

5. If the only thing you would change to the current system is the way in which firearms are transported, what changes would you make?





Velocitas, Opprimere,
Violentia Operandi

Answer - Do whatever El Al does.

[Gman]

Life has risks and there are no guarantees of safety.

[Great-Kazoo]

AS much as i agree in theory to some of the suggestions. replace airlines & airport with GUN. This is the left of center agenda for gun owners.

There is no sure proof way to eliminate anyone bent on violence. Until we as a society institute swift justice for any offender of such, we're spinning our wheels.

[TFOGGER]

AS much as i agree in theory to some of the suggestions. replace airlines & airport with GUN. This is the left of center agenda for gun owners.

There is no sure proof way to eliminate anyone bent on violence. Until we as a society institute swift justice for any offender of such, we're spinning our wheels.

Gallows on the tarmac sounds like a start. Instigate violence at an airport and somehow don't get shot? The actor doesn't see the next sunrise. Due process consists of a review of the video footage by a drafted jury of people at the airport, a simple majority needed for conviction.

[BushMasterBoy]

I would have put two in the chest area and one in the head. The guy could have had a bomb. Now we have to endure his "trial". The Global War on Terror is not over.

[Irving]

Gallows on the tarmac sounds like a start. Instigate violence at an airport and somehow don't get shot? The actor doesn't see the next sunrise. Due process consists of a review of the video footage by a drafted jury of people at the airport, a simple majority needed for conviction.

I feel the same way about people talking at the movie theater...

[kidicarus13]

I would have put two in the chest area and one in the head.

I feel the same way about people talking at the movie theater...

I know right?

[JohnnyDrama]

Gallows on the tarmac sounds like a start. Instigate violence at an airport and somehow don't get shot? The actor doesn't see the next sunrise. Due process consists of a review of the video footage by a drafted jury of people at the airport, a simple majority needed for conviction.

+1

Arrgh! Hang 'em in irons near the departure terminal!

[DireWolf]

Was just reading the Israeli process, and I think the tech is now at a point where we can greatly improve on that....Plus, it wasn't apparent if they even allow carry-on at all, which would be an issue.

Maybe some of the following:

1. I like the idea of armed security in airports, but screw TSA, they suck ass and in many cases have some severe power-trip complexes (e.g. people who shouldn't even have as much authority as a door checker at walmart), and when they violate your rights there is almost no recourse possible . Make it private, keep them accountable, and nail them to the fucking wall if they get too uppity....

2. Also very much like the idea of profiling w/ immunity...Granny Sweetrolls most likely doesn't have a package of HE and ball bearings tucked into her wheelchair, and HE/Chem/Bio is what would worry me the most...

3. Place within all airports some "decorative" cover points (e.g. tall flower pots, other unobtrusive waist/chest-high structures scattered through large open areas), and provide the public with general information (i.e. on video monitors in airports) on leveraging cover in the event of an attack while armed responders are en-route (plan/train for sub-60 second response time to public areas).

4. In the spirit of defensive perimiter layers while neither increasing the level of inconvenience nor comptetely trashing the 4th Amendment, build the following:

A.) At airport far outer perimiter, implement LPRs (licence plate readers) with DMV/Threat-Intel integration, which can flag known/unknown vehicles/entities from miles away and flag for early response if necessary, including automatic gate-based traffic routing

B.) Forced air particulate scanners (HE/Chem/Bio), optical weight/ride inspection, thermal sensors, and mass/density analysis at automated gate points, with threat indicator stacking and real-time analysis. For example, just like you have to stop momentarily to get ticket/pay toll when parking, or as is the case with some airports, when entering/leaving the terminal entrance roads. A short 30-60 second stop at an automated inspection gantry would not be overly invasive, and if any elevated threat indicators/profiles are presented, then vehicle can be held or rerouted for further inspection while still well away from the terminals or other aggregation points....

C.) Camera which cover all secure areas within perimiter (e.g. runways, etc.), with facial recognition. If unknown/unrecognized persons detected, flagged for increased/manual scrutiny or response team activation.

These measures could drastically reduce the ability to reach terminals/drop-off points or other high population density locations with any VBIED or breaching force without early detection & response, and do it in a very unobtrusive way...

More mundane issues, such as individual threat actors, can be addressed through items 1, 2, and 3 above....


Also, as was mentioned previously, shitcan the TSA and redirect funds to pay for things that work.



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