Shots fired at Fort Lauderdale Airport

[DireWolf]

2. How SHOULD airport security be handled here in the U.S.? (Lets first assume we actually want some form of screening to occur before anyone steps onto an aircraft.)

A. Limit of one carry on item per person which is screened separate to eliminate the bogged down TSA checkpoints.
B. All checked bags dropped off and picked up outside the airport and each bag individually screened before shipment.... see bullet point I.
C. Bomb sniffing animals employed at all gates, and roving patrols.
D. SRT/ERT/SWAT/ insert your favorite Acronym and EMS on 24/7/365 on site at all major passenger airports.
E. Minimum of one armed Federal Air Marshall at every gate.
F. All US Pilots Marshaled and trained in the use of firearms.
G. All cockpits bulletproofed.
H. Make seat belts that cannot be released by the passenger when wheels are up in the event of an on board threat.
I. All checked bags are sent to your destination address - (Hotel, House, Business etc.)

As someone who spends a good bit of time on commercial flights, I STRONGLY disagree with items A, B, H, and I....The rest aren't too bad.

Reason - A, B, and I would be MASSIVE inconveniences and infringements for anyone who travels frequently, (unless for A you're not counting a "personal" item such as a backpack, which is the way it is now - I, and many people I know, almost never check bags unless travelling for vacation with family), and offer almost no real risk mitigation benefits whatsoever - those who would give up essential liberties for temporary (and false in this case) security deserve neither....

As for H, well, it would have to be an electronic system....Imagine if the first thing an attacker did was hack the airplane control systems and PLCs in question (really not that hard to do with the right skillset - ANYTHING can be hacked, including security/anti-malware software which is specifically designed to prevent that from happening), and did a positive-override of the locking mechanism...Now air marshall (if on plane), as well as all passengers, with the exception of the attackers, are locked in their seats and cannot take defensive actions or try to overwhelm the attackers....Are we going to ban laptops on planes? Smartphones? See comment above....

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[davsel]

Airport/Airline Security?

Copy Israel

[Joe_K]

As someone who spends a good bit of time on commercial flights, I STRONGLY disagree with items A, B, H, and I....The rest aren't too bad.

Reason - A, B, and I would be MASSIVE inconveniences and infringements for anyone who travels frequently, (unless for A you're not counting a "personal" item such as a backpack, which is the way it is now - I, and many people I know, almost never check bags unless travelling for vacation with family), and offer almost no real risk mitigation benefits whatsoever - those who would give up essential liberties for temporary (and false in this case) security deserve neither....

As for H, well, it would have to be an electronic system....Imagine if the first thing an attacker did was hack the airplane control systems and PLCs in question (really not that hard to do with the right skillset - ANYTHING can be hacked, including security/anti-malware software which is specifically designed to prevent that from happening), and did a positive-override of the locking mechanism...Now air marshall (if on plane), as well as all passengers, with the exception of the attackers, are locked in their seats and cannot take defensive actions or try to overwhelm the attackers....Are we going to ban laptops on planes? Smartphones? See comment above....

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The idea was to see what ideas might actually make us safer. In retrospect the seat belt idea is pretty cruddy, I was thinking about it more along the lines of an amusement park ride.

For me persinally I would prefer the bag dropoff/delivery deal. And I would set the carry - on bag size limit pretty generous. Personal or needed items like strollers, purses, backpacks, laptop bags all good to go.

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[hurley842002]

For me persinally I would prefer the bag dropoff/delivery deal. And I would set the carry - on bag size limit pretty generous. Personal or needed items like strollers, purses, backpacks, laptop bags all good to go.

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Violentia Operandi

And for me, personally, this was the worst idea of them all. Forcing me to be unarmed from the airport to wherever the drop-off or home destination might be, is unacceptable, then again I've been called crazy for wanting to be armed EVERYWHERE.

ETA: I'm NOT willing to give up anymore freedom for "security".

[CS1983]

Step 1: Completely eliminate TSA security theater.
Step 2: Implement Israel style mental screens (which is largely automated for the majority of people at this point unless they hit for further screening).
Step 3: Provide immunity against suits alleging profiling.
Step 4: Permit profiling.

Step 5: Do away with Islam completely. [Pipe dream]. Can't argue the entire human population wouldn't be better off though.

But muh diversities!

[TFOGGER]

Step 1: Completely eliminate TSA security theater.
Step 2: Implement Israel style mental screens (which is largely automated for the majority of people at this point unless they hit for further screening).
Step 3: Provide immunity against suits alleging profiling.
Step 4: Permit profiling.

Step 5: Do away with Islam completely. [Pipe dream]. Can't argue the entire human population wouldn't be better off though.

If it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck...

The Israelis have been doing this for 30+ years. They also have bombproofed their airport screening areas and regulate vehicle traffic outside to minimize the risks before the formal screening process begins. I other words, real security that isn't horribly intrusive, without the theater.

https://www.quora.com/What-is-it-lik...rity-in-Israel

[funkymonkey1111]

So by reading the list of ideas, I assume you guys dont mind paying a shit ton more taxes and much higher airline ticket prices. Personally I hope I never fly again. I havent in a dozen years.

i think there's only one guy with these hairbrained ideas--who sounds like not much of a traveler

[bobbyfairbanks]

No matter the actions taken by gov bad people will find a way to cause terror. Let's ban all potty objects and anything that can travel over 5 mph as well as any slippery surfaces

[Joe_K]

i think there's only one guy with these hairbrained ideas--who sounds like not much of a traveler

If your talking about me then no, I have flown, and do fly quite a bit. I'm looking at this from the perspective of;

How do we prevent large crowds at any one area of an Airport.

How do protect the gates and flights?

How do we prevent with near 100% certainty an airliner being used as an air to ground missle?

By eliminating the TSA completely and allocating those funds to the FAMS and armed react teams who can actually stop an attack inside an airport or on a flight we will break even or even save money on Airport security.



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Violentia Operandi

[Jonsey]

If your talking about me then no, I have flown, and do fly quite a bit. I'm looking at this from the perspective of;

How do we prevent large crowds at any one area of an Airport.

How do protect the gates and flights?

How do we prevent with near 100% certainty an airliner being used as an air to ground missle?

By eliminating the TSA completely and allocating those funds to the FAMS and armed react teams who can actually stop an attack inside an airport or on a flight we will break even or even save money on Airport security.



Velocitas, Opprimere,
Violentia Operandi

I think I might be in favor of actual armed security, and also don't like to be parted from my weapon. Most of the "security" currently in place makes me feel insecure.