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    Default Pros and Cons of Bump Stocks?

    I see a lot of people on social media asking:

    What is the need for a bump stock? Why would ANYONE need a bump stock?

    Pro's
    1.) for fun and entertainment at the range.
    2.) because America.
    3.) because 2nd Amendment.
    4.) because we can.
    5.) lays down suppression fire if your position is being overran.
    6.) lays down suppression fire on large numbers of people advancing on you.
    7.) Can keep aggressors pinned down.
    8.) Can keep aggressors from reaching a strategic vantage point or objective.
    9.) Lighter weight AR's will benefit from a bump stock for a quicker rate of fire
    10.) adding one to an AR-15 with a Geissele Super Dynamic trigger results in a rate of fire slightly slower than a full auto military M-16 but not by much.

    5 and 6 apply to a SHTF situation (i.e. foreign invasion, revolution or civil war) occuring on American soil.


    Cons
    1.) highly inaccurate.
    2.) high cost to expend ammo at a high rate of fire.
    3.) not practical for most combat situations (except those described in the pro's).
    4.) Heavier AR-15 setups affect the rate of fire and slow it down drastcally.
    5.) You can use a wooden dowel or belt loop to bump fire.
    6.) There are legal trigger kits out there that bump fire as well.


    Those are the ones I can think of off the top of my head.

    I own two of them (and live outside the Denver city and county limits). I own a Slide Fire and a Bump Fire Systems.

    I have tested the Slide Fire one at Dragonman's a year ago. My custom built AR was so heavy (9.0 lbs) it was largely ineffective and didn't fire very quickly. I was rather disappointed. I didn't get anywhere near the full auto feel. After three magazines, I stopped.

    I have yet to try with my new S&W M&P 15 Sport II which is much much lighter than my custom built by nearly three pounds but I am curious to try it.

    As we all know, painfully I might add, Denver City County voted to ban them yesterday. As usual it will do nothing. Feel-good, pointless law to make liberals feel better about themselves.

    It won't stop criminals from going outside the city or state to buy them and bringing them back in to do harm with if they really wanted to. No one is gonna check their car or truck at the border.


    I bought both of mine for two reasons.

    1.) I shot full auto in the military and it was fun to do, so once in a while, it would be fun to do at the range.

    2.) For that SHTF situation when you just might need full auto capability. (Yes, I know most military unit's are semi-auto or three round burst for greater accuracy and ammo conservation).


    But another reason people buy them is it is entirely more cost effective than filling out an ATF Form 4, paying $200 for a tax stamp, waiting 6-18 months to get approved and then dropping $18,000+ on a full auto M-16.

    $20,000 for all that?

    or

    $149 bump stock
    $249 trigger

    for full auto like legal (currently) fun?

    The choice seems a little obvious to me.


    So it seems to me, the NFA and the ATF have created this entire fiasco.

    The NFA was created to keep catastrophic and full auto weapons out of the hands of civilians as much as possible.

    ATF seemingly circumvented the NFA by allowing and approving bump stocks based on the fact that no modification to the trigger was done to enable it to increase the rate of fire , although it still allowed an accelerated rate of fire simulating near full auto rates.

    So what happens when we as a nation have banned all the full auto weapons and banned and confiscated all bump fire stocks and some other country gets the idea to attack and/or invade us here and all these weapons are gone? How will we defend ourselves? A 5 million man/woman military force isn't going to cut it against a larger military force (Russia, China, etc).








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    Quote Originally Posted by CoGirl303 View Post
    So what happens when we as a nation have banned all the full auto weapons and banned and confiscated all bump fire stocks and some other country gets the idea to attack and/or invade us here and all these weapons are gone? How will we defend ourselves? A 5 million man/woman military force isn't going to cut it against a larger military force (Russia, China, etc).
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    I think the ship to truly ban all firearms in the United States sailed in 1776. There are just too many around.
    Invading the US would be a logistical nightmare. The next world war will be drones and missiles, I’d think.
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    I really don't think the SHTF scenarios are valid. Even if it did happen, which I don't think it will (can of worms), the bump fire stock would probably be more of a hinderance than a benefit. To me this kind of novelty is for fun and not much more.

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    This thread makes me want a bumpstock for popcorn.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Irving View Post
    This thread makes me want a bumpstock for popcorn.
    Like some kind of airsoft rifle that takes in the seeds and shoots out popcorn? Now that I think about it that would be pretty awesome.

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    Anyone that wants one better get them soon, before our wonderful state bans them or the feds bans them......
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    Quote Originally Posted by SideShow Bob View Post
    Anyone that wants one better get them soon, before our wonderful state bans them or the feds bans them......
    With the hope they are grandfathered...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grant H. View Post
    With the hope they are grandfathered...
    Just like Denver didn't do.
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    some other country gets the idea to attack and/or invade us here and all these weapons are gone?

    Weapons are useless
    We've already been invaded and defeated, economically. NAFTA opened the doors, China took us to the cleaners with their loans. Bailouts to auto makers put the icing on it.

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    It would seem to me that we shouldn't be making pro/con lists which effectively write the opposition's talking points for them, especially when the lists are myopic and on certain points wrong.

    Rather, we should be talking about their benefit for people with disabilities of the hands (arthritis, paralysis, etc.), other forms of physical disability, the elderly, etc.

    Bump stocks do not increase rate of fire. That's a mechanical impossibility. Rather, they allow a person to use their semi-automatic firearm in accordance with its mechanical ability. Further, as Jerry Miculek has demonstrated and many of us here have done ourselves, it is highly possible to fire any semi-automatic firearm as fast as one can pull the trigger.

    I shot my M&P 15-22 last weekend just as fast as a person with a bump stock could, just to see if I could.

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