Mini shells vs full size

[sneakerd]

Birdshot worthless? Stand in front of it then. Birdshot is perfect for home defense. By definition- home defense WILL be close range, basically the distance of the width of your biggest room or longest hallway. Nor does it overpenetrate. Light recoil as well, so perfect for a woman's use in the house.

[rustycrusty]

As with effective public speaking, so goes effective defensive round selection- know your audience and tailor your response appropriately.

If you know your BG is naked, skinny, and inside of 5yd- sure. #7 bird is a ine alternative to a pointy stick- though I wouldn’t trust the mini shell birdshot even under these ideal conditions as the spread is extreme, patterning is thin in the birdshot, and typical individual shot penetration is sub 4” in gel. You are relying on shock and pain compliance.

As most Americans are overweight, and wearing clothes... I would rather have something that can routinely defeat something like a loose carhartt jacket and 4” of adipose tissue before being able to penetrate an additional 6-10” of bone and muscle tissue.

I’m describing a bad guy that is a typical American working poor male- one that has the average American male BMI of ~29 (which looks something like 2-4” of adipose covering the torso)

(Congrats fat people - you actually have astounding ballistic resistance- as I have seen firsthand while working on human tissue- you are basically walking around with a something between a flak jacket and 2a vest on all the time)




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[buffalobo]

Congrats fat people - you actually have astounding ballistic resistance- as I have seen firsthand while working on human tissue- you are basically walking around with a something between a flak jacket and 2a vest on all the time.

Ha! Just what I need, a new excuse to avoid improving fitness and losing weight.

[Irving]

Hmmmm, this thread took a weird turn, as I can't imagine that people living the feast and famine life style of theft and robbery are usually fat. Sometimes, sure. Anyway, nice alternative line of thought that we usually don't get here.

[rustycrusty]

Hmmmm, this thread took a weird turn, as I can't imagine that people living the feast and famine life style of theft and robbery are usually fat. Sometimes, sure. Anyway, nice alternative line of thought that we usually don't get here.

Jussayin- the average American is fat. The poorer, the fatter here in the states. Well documented phenomenon, and crime loves poverty... poverty loves crime? Both work.

‘Are poverty and obesity associated? Poverty rates and obesity were reviewed across 3,139 counties in the U.S. (2,6). In contrast to international trends, people in America who live in the most poverty-dense counties are those most prone to obesity’

http://diabetes.diabetesjournals.org/content/60/11/2667

So, with most of America being fat, and the fatter the poorer, and violent criminal behavior being concentrated amongst the poorest of Americans... it is logical to be prepared to encounter a plump perp.


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[Irving]

Hmmmm. I guess it's time to dig out my "This house protected by Weight Watchers" yard signs.

[rustycrusty]

Hmmmm. I guess it's time to dig out my "This house protected by Weight Watchers" yard signs.

Grow veggies in front yard.

Leave sign on front door
‘A vegan household’

Make sure there are stairs leading to all entrances

You are now immune to home invasion.


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[Irving]

If all stairs are also stair climbers, I'm also immune to zombie home invasion.