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    I have USCCA. While I think this is the least likely insurance I'll ever need, I'm aware (from personal experience) the legal proceedings following a self-defense situation can amount to a significant sum. I didn't shop all the competing insurance companies, but I like that USCCA just gives you a single number to call if you need help. With that one call, they'll find you a gun-friendly local attorney from their database who will contact you. USCCA will also post your bail, immediately cut a check to reimburse you for any expenses you may have already incurred, and cover the subsequent legal costs (commensurate with your level of coverage). My peace of mind is worth $30/mo.
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    I sent them my $$ weeks ago and haven't received any written materials
    or usual stuff with insurances.

    All I've received is promos to buy MORE of their materials. Pretty
    underwhelming so far...

    PS:
    Just got paperwork in mail today...three weeks after they got my $$
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    $30/month isn't terrible; I spend more on beer. Is that the price for a whole year?
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    Quote Originally Posted by foxtrot View Post
    Insurance is a profitable business. In some aspects it is a form of gambling, you only win if your life sucks; but the house mathematically has the odds stacked against you. That said, some people are more vulnerable than others.

    you could even file bankruptcy to discharge a judgment


    Standard disclaimer: As always, this is not legal advice. Hire an attorney to receive legal advice.
    Not being an attorney, I can't offer legal advice.
    My understanding is medical injuries pass through bankruptcy and you are still responsible.
    Seems like a gun discharge lawsuit probably is going to involve medical injury.
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    Blades, I'm not an attorney either, but I believe you're confusing personal (first party) medical bills with third party medical bills. I've never personally injured someone, then declared bankruptcy though, so I can't be certain.
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    Irving, I am not sure of the difference.
    The situation I saw was a while back. A young driver seriously injured a person in a car he hit.
    The young man, over 21, declared bankruptcy.
    At the first appearance, the bankruptcy judge or administrator informed him that the medical costs of the injured party would survive the bankruptcy and he would be liable.
    That stuck with me.
    I was just thinking that the most likely reason to be in court after a shooting would be to respond to a lawsuit by the injured survivor.
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    Thanks for clarifying. I had assumed you were confusing first party (your own medical bills) with third party (someone else's bills), but you were not. That's something we should all remember then. Thanks for the story.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Irving View Post
    $30/month isn't terrible; I spend more on beer. Is that the price for a whole year?
    They have different levels of coverage (Silver $13, Gold $22, or Platinum $30), and you can save a little bit by paying annually instead of monthly.

    whitbaby, if you are talking about USCCA, I'd give them a call. I received materials about a week after joining.
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    All I can say is that I read the fine details and exclusions on coverage, for the USCCA and US Law Shield programs, and people here think that more is covered that actually is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by spqrzilla View Post
    All I can say is that I read the fine details and exclusions on coverage, for the USCCA and US Law Shield programs, and people here think that more is covered that actually is.
    What are you referring to, specifically?

    Here is the Exclusions section of the USCCA coverage form:

    https://d3rmvquxnxa9wt.cloudfront.ne...ourceGuide.pdf
    2. Exclusions
    This insurance does not apply to:
    a. Criminal Acts
    Bodily injury” or “property damage” arising out of a criminal act by any insured or caused
    by or during any criminal act of any insured. This exclusion does not apply to“bodily
    injury”or “property damage” resulting from an “act of self-defense”.
    b. Contractual Liability
    “Bodily injury” or “property damage” for which any insured is obligated to pay “damages”
    due to the assumption of liability in a contract or agreement.
    c. Alcohol or Intoxicating Substances
    “Bodily injury” or “property damage” arising out of the use of any firearm or other weapon
    by any insured who was under the influence of any intoxicating substance(s), narcotic(s),
    controlled substance(s) or alcoholic beverage(s).
    d. Employer’s Liability
    (1) “Bodily injury” to an “employee” of any insured arising out of and in the course of:
    (a) Employment by any insured; or
    (b) Performing duties related to the conduct of the insured’s business.
    (2) “Property damage” to any property of an “employee” of the insured arising out of and in
    the course of:
    (a) Employment by the insured; or
    (b) Performing duties related to the conduct of the insured’s business.
    e. Non-Insureds
    The use of a firearm or other weapon by anyone other than an insured except as
    specifically stated in Section I – Coverages item 1.a.(2).
    f. Professional Services
    (1) “Bodily injury” or “property damage” due to the rendering of or failure to render any
    professional service; or
    (2) The negligent:
    (a) Employment;
    (b) Investigation;
    (c) Supervision; or
    (d) Retention;
    of any professional for whom any insured is or ever was legally responsible.
    This exclusion applies even if the claims against any insured allege negligence or other
    wrong doing in the supervision, hiring, employment, training or monitoring of others by
    the insured, if the “occurrence” or the incident arising from a “covered legal liability” which
    caused the “bodily injury” or “property damage” involved any professional service.
    g. War
    “Bodily injury” or “property damage”, however caused, arising, directly or indirectly,
    out of:
    (1) War, including undeclared or civil war;
    (2) Warlike action by a military force, including action in hindering or defending against
    an actual or expected attack, by any government, sovereign or other authority using
    military personnel or other agents; or
    (3) Insurrection, rebellion, revolution, usurped power, or action taken by governmental
    authority in hindering or defending against any of these.
    h. Occupational Use
    “Bodily injury” or “property damage” arising out of any “insured’s” business or occupation in
    providing security or safety services for compensation or a fee that involves the required use
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    or carrying of a firearm or other weapon.
    i. Damage To Property
    “Property damage” to:
    (1) Property you own, rent, or occupy, including any costs or expenses incurred by you, or
    any other person, organization or entity, for repair, replacement,
    enhancement, restoration or maintenance of such property for any reason, including
    prevention of injury to a person or damage to another’s property;
    (2) Property loaned to you;
    (3) Personal property in the care, custody or control of an insured;
    j. Electronic Data
    “Damages” arising out of the loss of, loss of use of, damage to, corruption of, inability to
    access, or inability to manipulate electronic data.
    As used in this exclusion, electronic data means information, facts or programs stored as or
    on, created or used on, or transmitted to or from computer software, including systems and
    applications software, hard or floppy disks, CD-ROMS, tapes, drives, cells, data processing
    devices or any other media which are used with electronically controlled equipment.
    k. Mysterious disappearance
    “Damages” arising out of the unexplained or mysterious disappearance of a firearm or other
    weapon.
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