Shootout over the Army's new $580 million handgun

[ray1970]

I don't really care what the military issues for a handgun. I mean I bet 99% or more of people who are or were in the military have never fired a shot from their handgun in a combat situation.

[CS1983]

I vote they use hi-points. It will be like WW2. A gun to get a gun. It will increase everyones motivation to kill the enemy just so they can have a different gun.

But our enemy is using things like makarovs and Iraqi knockoffs. It's not exactly the same motivation as a Luger.

[asmo]

This a normal thing in govt contracting. It was expected. *yawn*

[davsel]

[Skip]

If you want something specific, you write the solicitation so that only your vendor of choice can meet those requirements.

Beretta tried too...

http://www.berettadefensetechnologie...ols/apx-pistol


... and actually made it to the top three. This was even after the M9A3. So kudos to them for actually reading the solicitation and tooling up a new platform after having the M9A3 rejected.

Glock has no legitimate beef.

[Aloha_Shooter]

I vote they use hi-points. It will be like WW2. A gun to get a gun. It will increase everyones motivation to kill the enemy just so they can have a different gun.

??? Anyone that would rather shoot a Luger than a 1911A1 or a Mauser instead of a Garand was drinking rotgut ...

[Honey Badger282.8]

I liked the M9 better than the Sig M11 I carried while flying, that stupid decocker always required me to change my grip to actuate. My experience with the M11, and the price of Sigs will keep me away from them. I always thought the MHS program was dumb, the Army should have just followed SOCOMs lead and adopted the G19.

[hollohas]

Sig actually read the solicitation and submitted a system that met requirements. They also got the price per unit down to beat everyone else having learned from losing the M9 contract on price.

Glock submitted their same old 30 year old design and ignored the specs. Because Glock is perfection so why would they change?

This, exactly. SIG and Beretta made changes to meet the specs. Glock just grabbed one off the shelf and sent it in. This new handgun solicitation has been around for years. SIG basically design the P320 to match the requirements.

If you want something specific, you write the solicitation so that only your vendor of choice can meet those requirements.

Maybe. But SIG did modify the P320 for the solicitation. Most notably, they added a manual safety.

[hollohas]

My experience with the M11, and the price of Sigs will keep me away from them.

Neither one of these reasons applies to the P320. It's cheep and doesn't have a decocker. Just saying

[Honey Badger282.8]

Neither one of these reasons applies to the P320. It's cheep and doesn't have a decocker. Just saying

True, but it still says Sig on it lol. I was looking into a P320 when it came out but I realized I could damn near buy a second gun for the cost of the conversion kit. For a caliber change, in the case of .40 Glocks I'd just need a $100 conversion barrel and applicable mag.